Plans have been put forward to cut hospital services in two-thirds of England

[TomandJerry]

The proposals have been made by local NHS bosses as part of a national programme to transform the health service and save money.

They include everything from full closures of hospitals to cutting some specialist services such as accident and emergency and stroke care.

Ministers argue patients will receive better care in the community.

But a review of the plans by the King's Fund think tank warned they were not always credible because there were not enough services outside of hospitals.

It warned GPs, district nursing and council care services were already "feeling the strain" and could not currently cope with an increase in workload."

 

[Foul Play Rocks]

The kings fund also go on to say that even with all these cuts the NHS will still need more money. You can't help but wonder how long the NHS has left.

 

[pastafarian]

The proposals have been made by local NHS bosses as part of a national programme to transform the health service and save money.

They include everything from full closures of hospitals to cutting some specialist services such as accident and emergency and stroke care.

Ministers argue patients will receive better care in the community.

But a review of the plans by the King's Fund think tank warned they were not always credible because there were not enough services outside of hospitals.

It warned GPs, district nursing and council care services were already "feeling the strain" and could not currently cope with an increase in workload."

with so much fake news about would it kill you to provide the link to the info you have taken the time to copy and paste.

 

[pastafarian]

You can't help but wonder how long the NHS has left.

in its current form not long
the population has increased by millions upon millions more than its original design and we are living longer.

There is a chance it can be sorted out and made fit for purpose but for that to happen it must be taken out of the political arena and stopped from being a political football.

 

[BBassic]

with so much fake news about would it kill you to provide the link to the info you have taken the time to copy and paste.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/delivering-sustainability-and-transformation-plans

That took all of one Google search, two clicks, a copy and paste and the time to write this post. One minute, tops.

 

[HantsSeagull]

i realise its not a popular view but i can't help but think the NHS is no longer viable given the demographics and finances.

at some point we are going to have face the fact that a different system is needed that requires a level of personal provision

 

[Stat Brother]

But won't the NHS be getting £350m a week once we're out of Europe.

Surely it can tick over till then.

 

[n1 gull]

i realise its not a popular view but i can't help but think the NHS is no longer viable given the demographics and finances.

at some point we are going to have face the fact that a different system is needed that requires a level of personal provision

Totally agree. The answer can't just be pump in more money. I don't know the answer but I hope someone comes up with an idea that has some new thinking which can at least start a conversation

 

[daveybgtt]

Less managers, more doctors and nurses would be a good start, Then ditch foreign aid and build more hospitals.

DaveyB for PM!

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Totally agree. The answer can't just be pump in more money. I don't know the answer but I hope someone comes up with an idea that has some new thinking which can at least start a conversation

The Tory plan is working.

 

[sjamesb3466]

One of the biggest problems facing the NHS is actually the cuts that have occurred in social/healtg care in the community. The lack of funding and carers is preventing tens of thousands of patients (mostly elderly) from leaving hospital as they can't cope at home on their own. This then blocks beds and gives NHS staff extra people to care for and feed in hospital.

Personally I think the NHS needs to set up halfway house care homes where people can stay once they are fit enough to leave hospital but not able to look after themselves at home. I think the idea that everyone can be looked after in their own home is a flawed idea that wastes huge a huge amount of money and time. Just having carers driving between people's houses is time spend not caring and means when they do arrive they generally only have minutes to do what they can before they have to rush off to their next person. The idea that this failing care system will be extended to look after even more people in their home and the community is simply a way of conning people into accepting closing services before we are told it's not working in a couple of years time by which time the buildings will have been sold and the specialist staff gone elsewhere. Once these services are closed they will never come back due to the cost of setting them up.

The tories are ideologically opposed to social medicine and I honestly believe this is just another step on their plan to slowly make it such a ****ed up system that we all agree it needs to be scrapped.

Just my two pennies.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

i realise its not a popular view but i can't help but think the NHS is no longer viable given the demographics and finances.

at some point we are going to have face the fact that a different system is needed that requires a level of personal provision

Yes we all pay a bit more money to use it. Happy to pay more.

 

[jackanada]

Totally agree. The answer can't just be pump in more money. I don't know the answer but I hope someone comes up with an idea that has some new thinking which can at least start a conversation

we put on the least money as a percentage of gdp of any of the 17 original eu members.
we have the second lowest number of hospital beds per 1000 in the entire eu.
the NHS was as recently as 2010 the most efficient in the world.
An American system would cost at least 2.5 times more and leave a quarter of the population without coverage.
Here's a start to your conversation - we had the best possible system lets get it back.

 

[El Presidente]

The doctors are paid to much for handing out asprin and are all left wing. Id do the same as with the Southern Rail drivers and sack the lot and recruit replacements. Theirs 2 million unemployed and viewing figures for Casualty are high so should be easy to do.

Regards

EP

 

[GOM]

we put on the least money as a percentage of gdp of any of the 17 original eu members.
we have the second lowest number of hospital beds per 1000 in the entire eu.
the NHS was as recently as 2010 the most efficient in the world.
An American system would cost at least 2.5 times more and leave a quarter of the population without coverage.
Here's a start to your conversation - we had the best possible system lets get it back.

links to these facts please

 

[Deleted member 22389]

we put on the least money as a percentage of gdp of any of the 17 original eu members.
we have the second lowest number of hospital beds per 1000 in the entire eu.
the NHS was as recently as 2010 the most efficient in the world.
An American system would cost at least 2.5 times more and leave a quarter of the population without coverage.
Here's a start to your conversation - we had the best possible system lets get it back.

Government can't put any more money than it is now, solution we all personally pay a bit more.

 

[severnside gull]

Sad times but successive Tory governments and the unwitting collusion of Labour in refusing to provide credible opposition means that full health care will soon be consigned to the past for any that can't "top up" with private medical insurance. The real questions for the futurr are what free at point of delivery services will remain.
Meanwhile the dirty taste in the mouth that was Gove, BoJo, IDS, Farage & Co will deny that they meant what they have said last year. Politics!

 

[happypig]

If we can afford to replace Trident then we can afford to fund the NHS better. If we can't afford both, then I'd prefer having the ability to save lives every day than the ability to rain death but never use it.

Funny, though, how the right wingers always say "the answer isn't more money" yet their solution of giving the NHS less money is making a complete bollocks of it.

 

[Hotchilidog]

No additional funds for councils for 2017/18 putting additional stress on the NHS. The deliberately callous assault on public services continues unabated.

 

[BlueWhite]

As the guy who invented it said "The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with the faith to fight for it". Seeing as how the NHS was invented in times of the most extreme austerity, for the common good, it's inconceivable that proper funding can't be found for it now, in the sixth richest country in the world. The conclusion has to be that the decision to underfund is based on ideology. And if we don't fight for it, we'll lose it.