Petition - say no to 'B' teams league

[Triggaaar]

They dont need to, there are already rules that state clubs have to play the strongest possible team, we have seen clubs sanctioned by the FA for not adhering to it. You doi realise that these 'clubs' will be an entity like any club, having to name at the start of the season, its squad, and adhere to trf restrictions like any other club?

No I don't know all the rules. I understand it was a problem in Germany. Won't premier league clubs be able to recall a player to put them in the main squad if they're doing well?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

No I don't know all the rules. I understand it was a problem in Germany. Won't premier league clubs be able to recall a player to put them in the main squad if they're doing well?

If not at the beginning the rules will change as it goes along. To the advantage of the elite clubs. Same as it ever was.

 

[Seasider78]

There are already a lot of decent academies, right across the top two divisions, nothing is improving, its getting worse.... those academy players are not making it through the ranks, they dont get competitive football, they play against other 21 year olds, they dont learn to cope with the higher intensity physicality of the game at the top level. Agreed that coaching at the lower levels need to be improved, but that still wont address the issue of jumping from the juniors to the seniors.

Interesting how Spain have this system, and the world scrambles to recruit Spanish players and coaches, and to a slightly lesser degree with German and French personel. I dont see our staff, players or otherwise, getting persued in numbers to grace the continental leagues, do you?

Our non-league will adapt, they will benefit from the exposure, and the pyramid will remain, albeit with an extra layer.

Note: there is room for two opinions on this issue, mine being as valid as yours in its own way, none of us are equipped to say with certainty that each of us is wrong.

Well the worlds most expensive player is a southampton academy output and I don't see Barkley, Shaw, Wilshire, Lallana, Rodriguez having any issues breaking and performing in the first team or internationally. The top clubs in this country are chasing them so they can't be that bad. Rooney broke into the first team at 16.

We produce the players just not enough of them and perhaps these academies need to get down to southampton and see what they are doing. The idea that Spain and Germany are successful because of B teams is a nonsense they have 5 times the number of top grade coaches than we do. A Messi becomes the player he is through coaching and development of natural ability not trotting out at Stockport on a Tuesday night.

I don't buy the exposure argument I mean who seriously is going to follow a B team they don't in the countries you mention. When looking at this I try to think how I would feel as an albion fan when we were in those divisions and the idea of us being relegated or missing out on promotion to an Aston villa B side makes me sick.
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Before the premier league we had very few overseas players in this country yet we were still no better internationally so where is the evidence that says having more than 30% of English players in the premier league will result in a stronger england team?

I respect other people have differing opinions but for me this move is to serve the interests of the premier league and national side and is not in the wider interest of our valuable football league clubs

 

[The Large One]

If it was the remit of Premier League clubs to expose England potentials to first-team football, they should play them in the Premier League. But it isn't, so they're trying to dump the problem on a fabricated fifth tier.

It's pretty demeaning to think that lower league clubs will benefit from the exposure a Premier League club's under 21s might offer. Premier League development squads already play matches - mostly in front of about 200 people.

Germany is slowly dismantling its B Team culture at national level and mostly doing it at regional level.

So - is the destruction of an important, long-standing cultural consideration for many towns and communities across the country a fair price to pay for a good national team made up highly-paid players playing for already money-grabbing football clubs? I don't think so.

The Premier League and the FA created this problem on their own, they can resolve it on their own.

 

[Triggaaar]

Well the worlds most expensive player is a southampton academy output and I don't see Barkley, Shaw, Wilshire, Lallana, Rodriguez having any issues breaking and performing in the first team or internationally. The top clubs in this country are chasing them so they can't be that bad. Rooney broke into the first team at 16.

We produce the players just not enough of them and perhaps these academies need to get down to southampton and see what they are doing. The idea that Spain and Germany are successful because of B teams is a nonsense they have 5 times the number of top grade coaches than we do. A Messi becomes the player he is through coaching and development of natural ability not trotting out at Stockport on a Tuesday night.

Probably true.

When looking at this I try to think how I would feel as an albion fan when we were in those divisions and the idea of us being relegated or missing out on promotion to an Aston villa B side makes me sick.

It would only be up to League 1. I wouldn't have a problem with that bit.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I respect other people have differing opinions but for me this move is to serve the interests of the premier league and national side and is not in the wider interest of our valuable football league clubs

And they have no way of knowing the impact of what they are proposing. And I mistrust anyone who thinks the elite clubs are acting in anyone's interests but their own.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Never work, players styles and clubs playing style always dictates where a player is loaned to,......

Of course.

Any idea will have it's issues but it's a better idea than ripping the leagues up.

 

[Northstander]

This is my proposal and won't happen over night

Invest in coaching with the dad's and part time coaches that invest their time on the kiddies football throughout the uk. THIS is where the problem needs to be fixed, with real investment on Acadamies of excellence with real pitches rather than un-even parks covered in dog crap!

Coach the coaches on technique and genuine positive reinforcement and how to keep the ball rather than the standard "Get Rid of it!!"

The problem needs a long term solution, the premiership will look after itself....move down!

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

So - is the destruction of an important, long-standing cultural consideration for many towns and communities across the country a fair price to pay for a good national team made up highly-paid players playing for already money-grabbing football clubs? I don't think so.

They have no idea what the impact will be on the national team. It is a punt.

 

[SweatyMexican]

I didn't think it deserved it's own thread, but here is FC United's response to the proposal.

http://fc-utd.co.uk/m_story.php?story_id=5524

It was a good read, and I completely agree that it would crush the lower leagues of English football.

 

[somerset]

Well the worlds most expensive player is a southampton academy output and I don't see Barkley, Shaw, Wilshire, Lallana, Rodriguez having any issues breaking and performing in the first team or internationally. The top clubs in this country are chasing them so they can't be that bad. Rooney broke into the first team at 16.

We produce the players just not enough of them and perhaps these academies need to get down to southampton and see what they are doing. The idea that Spain and Germany are successful because of B teams is a nonsense they have 5 times the number of top grade coaches than we do. A Messi becomes the player he is through coaching and development of natural ability not trotting out at Stockport on a Tuesday night.

I don't buy the exposure argument I mean who seriously is going to follow a B team they don't in the countries you mention. When looking at this I try to think how I would feel as an albion fan when we were in those divisions and the idea of us being relegated or missing out on promotion to an Aston villa B side makes me sick.
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Before the premier league we had very few overseas players in this country yet we were still no better internationally so where is the evidence that says having more than 30% of English players in the premier league will result in a stronger england team?

I respect other people have differing opinions but for me this move is to serve the interests of the premier league and national side and is not in the wider interest of our valuable football league clubs

In return I respect your alternative view,.... but I wonder if you have any suggestions? For me, having those half a dozen names you mention is a good starting point, but I have seen quoted that to have a successful national team, you need to have a minumum of 50 ( yes FIFTY) home qualified players playing regularly in the top 5 clubs across the top 5 leagues in Europe.... we dont have that.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Signed. 23,073 & counting

 

[The Large One]

They have no idea what the impact will be on the national team. It is a punt.

OK - is the destruction of an important, long-standing cultural consideration for many towns and communities across the country a fair price to pay for a highly speculative attempt to establish a good national team made up highly-paid players playing for already money-grabbing football clubs?

 

[Southwest Seagull]

Yep signed. As I split my support between the two 'Gulls' clubs, the weaker of the two has just been relegated to the conference and we're incredibly concerned about such a proposal.

 

[somerset]

OK - is the destruction of an important, long-standing cultural consideration for many towns and communities across the country a fair price to pay for a highly speculative attempt to establish a good national team made up highly-paid players playing for already money-grabbing football clubs?

I assume you have considered that the Albion would probably partake of this offering.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Signed. I was going to have a wee rant on why it's a bad idea but instead I think the below has summed up all that's wrong (and right) with it in an intelligent, non ranty fashion.

http://theblueandwhitefanzine.co.uk/blog-b-teams/

 

[Seasider78]

In return I respect your alternative view,.... but I wonder if you have any suggestions? For me, having those half a dozen names you mention is a good starting point, but I have seen quoted that to have a successful national team, you need to have a minumum of 50 ( yes FIFTY) home qualified players playing regularly in the top 5 clubs across the top 5 leagues in Europe.... we dont have that.

I don't think there is a simple solution until something changes fundamentally in the way the premier league functions. Whilst the FA want more English talent for the national team this is of little or no interest to the top premier league clubs (which is where these players need to be). With the demands and riches of success why would a Manchester City be interested in growing young players into the first team when they can go out and buy the finished article for £30 million.

The only hope I can see is better ran academies (like southamptons) that produce players who go on to sign for the big fish. Perhaps the premier league could insist on a % of revenue being taken out of clubs to be spent on academy development or redeployment of wealth to the academy system around the country. The FA have spent a fortune on their own academy so more focus on getting out and working with clubs to improve coaching standards would be a starting point

This is allegedly covered in their next batch of findings so hopefully this will be more positive and they can sweep this current mess under the carpet

 

[father_and_son]

But the proposed rules are that the players in the B team can't be foreign?

Which is illegal, they can only block non-EU, you could still have a full squad of Europeans and not a single Englishman in the squad.

 

[drew]

Ridiculous knee jerk proposals just so Greg Dyke can see something with his name on. The problem is at grass roots and in particular the coaching. The FA have started to address this with St Georges Park where more coaches are being trained and they themselves will then go on to train others. You can't just click your fingers and all of a sudden have an additional 20,000 coaches.

The Dyke proposals will merely cosy up to the requirements of the FA who will have more players on their books than they know what to do with.

 

[Triggaaar]

Which is illegal, they can only block non-EU, you could still have a full squad of Europeans and not a single Englishman in the squad.

Which means this whole thing is unworkable.