[Albion] Penalty?

[Guy Fawkes]

Last season i think they said we were the team that benefitted most from VAR reviews but another way to interpret that is that we were the team that the officials were making the wrong calls on the most often and VAR was needed to reverse their incorrect decisions

There is definitely a big team bias from the officials, hopefully it's a subconscious bias rather than deliberately deciding to give close decisions the way of the 'bigger' team or because they are anti another side

I do also wonder if, as fans of this club, we don't kick up enough of a fuss after a game where there have been incidence like this and this helps make it easy for refs to not give decisions in our favour, knowing we'll be more likely to accept a poor decision from them but hey know they will get a lot more flack from supporters of a big team and so to avoid that, tend to give them more?

oh, and in answer tot he original question, it was a penalty

 

[Icy Gull]

Last season i think they said we were the team that benefitted most from VAR reviews but another way to interpret that is that we were the team that the officials were making the wrong calls on the most often and VAR was needed to reverse their incorrect decisions

There is definitely a big team bias from the officials, hopefully it's a subconscious bias rather than deliberately deciding to give close decisions the way of the 'bigger' team or because they are anti another side

I do also wonder if, as fans of this club, we don't kick up enough of a fuss after a game where there have been incidence like this and this helps make it easy for refs to not give decisions in our favour, knowing we'll be more likely to accept a poor decision from them but hey know they will get a lot more flack from supporters of a big team and so to avoid that, tend to give them more?

oh, and in answer tot he original question, it was a penalty

I think we can say with some certainty that Mike Dean, at least, doesn’t give a shit

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Penalty? No.

But to keep consistent with VAR across the season, then yes, it is.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Last season i think they said we were the team that benefitted most from VAR reviews but another way to interpret that is that we were the team that the officials were making the wrong calls on the most often and VAR was needed to reverse their incorrect decisions

There is definitely a big team bias from the officials, hopefully it's a subconscious bias rather than deliberately deciding to give close decisions the way of the 'bigger' team or because they are anti another side

I do also wonder if, as fans of this club, we don't kick up enough of a fuss after a game where there have been incidence like this and this helps make it easy for refs to not give decisions in our favour, knowing we'll be more likely to accept a poor decision from them but hey know they will get a lot more flack from supporters of a big team and so to avoid that, tend to give them more?

oh, and in answer tot he original question, it was a penalty

I think we 'benefitted' a lot from the not flagging for offsides, and having blatant offside goals ruled out.

 

[Surf's Up]

Clattered into him from behind, penalty, no question.

This, all day long. Dean strikes again - he really should be pensioned off.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Penalty? No.

But to keep consistent with VAR across the season, then yes, it is.

Why not?

Defender wrong side/behind. Pulls strikers shoulder AND clips his heals without being anywhere near the ball. I honestly don’t know how it can’t be a pen?

 

[drew]

It was definitely a penalty and from where Dean was he should have given it as there is no way he can be absolutely sure there was no contact. Having given it he would know there would be a review to confirm. By not giving it the pressure is then on the VAR not to overturn the decision. In effect, both Dean and Bankes bottled it. Perhaps it was Dean getting us back for the mess we caused his mate Mason!!!

 

[LamieRobertson]

All three bods on MOTD ...penalty

 

[nickjhs]

Hugely reluctant to ever judge a foul based on a still photo.

Personally, if it was given against us I'd be furious and deem it incredibly soft, so fence.

I agree that the frame needs to be taken into context of the preceding ones, however a single frame is often the concluding one. Now if this frame is out of context and in fact HM only briefly touched Welbeck then he should have received a card for diving. What concerns me is the speed in which the decision was made, how often have we spent agonising minutes while the refs repeatedly watch the action frame forward and back, different angles etc, this was treated with far less rigour. Added to this it seems most of the pundits agree it should have been given.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Hugely reluctant to ever judge a foul based on a still photo.

Personally, if it was given against us I'd be furious and deem it incredibly soft, so fence.

It maybe a 'soft' penalty but it is a penalty. The defender has stopped a chance on goal by impeding him. If we had been the defending team you can bet there would be outrage on here saying what a soft penalty to give away but many would be saying ' you cant pull back defenders with your hands, risking a penalty'
Definitely a penalty

 

[mwrpoole]

It maybe a 'soft' penalty but it is a penalty. The defender has stopped a chance on goal by impeding him. If we had been the defending team you can bet there would be outrage on here saying what a soft penalty to give away but many would be saying ' you cant pull back defenders with your hands, risking a penalty'
Definitely a penalty

And a red card? Isn’t it the rule that if you commit a foul in the box without challenging for the ball then it’s a red card. I’m sure there’s been red cards this season where a player has been tugged back.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And a red card? Isn’t it the rule that if you commit a foul in the box without challenging for the ball then it’s a red card. I’m sure there’s been red cards this season where a player has been tugged back.

If the fouler is the last man, then it’s a red card, in or outside of the penalty area.

 

[blue-shifted]

And a red card? Isn’t it the rule that if you commit a foul in the box without challenging for the ball then it’s a red card. I’m sure there’s been red cards this season where a player has been tugged back.

Which probably didn't help us get the pen.

"little team" getting a pen to probably win at Old Trafford and send the England vice captain off.

Not really Mike Dean's thing

 

[vagabond]

Which probably didn't help us get the pen.

"little team" getting a pen to probably win at Old Trafford and send the England vice captain off.

Not really Mike Dean's thing

I do think that’s probably part of it, even subconsciously. Mike Dean’s taken enough pelters of late, the last thing he needed was sending off England darling Maguire and outraging the entire Man U fanbase for daring to give a penalty to us.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

It was definitely a penalty and from where Dean was he should have given it as there is no way he can be absolutely sure there was no contact. Having given it he would know there would be a review to confirm. By not giving it the pressure is then on the VAR not to overturn the decision. In effect, both Dean and Bankes bottled it. Perhaps it was Dean getting us back for the mess we caused his mate Mason!!!

Bang on.

The check was so quick that it was clear they weren't even looking to "overturn" Dean's decision.

 

[origigull]

I do think that’s probably part of it, even subconsciously. Mike Dean’s taken enough pelters of late, the last thing he needed was sending off England darling Maguire and outraging the entire Man U fanbase for daring to give a penalty to us.

Mike Dean was probably thinking I don't want any threats on social media from manu fans. There's more of them than BHA fans.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

If the fouler is the last man, then it’s a red card, in or outside of the penalty area.

I believe the double jeapardy law means only a yellow is shown if the defender/tackler makes a genuine attempt to play the ball, regardless if they were the last man or not. Maguire, being completely the wrong side of Welbeck and making absolutely zero attempt to play the ball should have received a straight red and a penalty kick awarded. Twats.

 

[GT49er]

That jackass Dermot Gallagher is smugly satisfied that everything was hunky-dory with that. ''The Complete and Utter Shyster didn't see it clearly enough to award a penalty, so it wasn't a clear and obvious error so the VAR couldn't overturn it. So the original decision is upheld.''

So just when did the PGMOL decide to introduce the football equivalent of 'umpire's call?'

Besides, what happened to, "If you didn't see it clearly enough Mike, come over here and look at it several different times from different angles in slow motion?'

 

[GT49er]

Bit late now, but why weren't these two threads merged?