[Albion] Penalty?

[vagabond]

Looks like he impeded Welbeck's shot.
To be fair though, these ones can go either way

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I guess it depends who’s making the claim. That’s the problem, not how it should be.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wrighty and Shearer on MOTD both said it was a penalty.

 

[Birdie Boy]

Clattered into him from behind, penalty, no question.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Welbeck clear on goal then impeded by Magiure with hand and foot not playing the ball, it’s a penalty. Other end of pitch it’s a pen I cannot see how you could argue otherwise. Welbeck did not reach the ball because he was fouled by Maguire, pretty simple decision

 

[Bry Nylon]

Dean and VAR bottled it. Puts to bed the lie that VAR levels the playing field between Big 6 and the rest. All it does is ruin the game.

 

[stss30]

There's no doubt it was a penalty, but who is surprised. It's Mike Dean and we were playing a big 6 team.

 

[Perfidious Albion]

Sadly the post above is quite right. In this game fortune favours the rich and famous... VAR. ? Must stand for Very Awful Refereeing .

 

[Guinness Boy]

My blue and white beer goggles said penalty last night. And, having reviewed that clip I still think it was one this morning. Maguire pulls him back.

But then, as soon as I saw the ref was Dean I knew we wouldn't get anything. If he'd given it then VAR would not have overturned it.

 

[Swansman]

Manchester United, Englands leading football brand, bringing in money for all of the PL all over the world. They need to be good - especially now with a new TV deal in negotiations. They need to be good so badly that they constantly get decisions that not even the other clubs get and it happens over and over again year in year out. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Same as it is maybe "coincidence" that the superstars (the English ones in particular) are able to do whatever they want on the pitch. Every week you see Maguire, Grealish or Kane doing something other players arent allowed to do.

Noticed how commentators never talk about dives these days? Would be bad for the reputation of the league. Notice yesterday how we're usually given a dozen replay angles showing zoomed in versions of situations like this? TV production didnt bother yesterday. Sometimes it feels like its really all about the brand/all about the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVdfDoXHdZc

 

[nicko31]

VAR or ref, big club bias is still there...

 

[Frankie]

I've tried to figure out why Welbeck 2 yards out with a tap in would decide to dive , because he must have dived .

But wait the plot thickens , why no yellow card if he dived ? I've no idea how that isn't given as a penalty, only Mr Dean and VAR know that answer, unless a gust of wind blew Wellbeck over of course .

It's even a penalty in French for goodness sake .

 

[Paskman]

Slabhead will be in Garth's Team of the Week for that match saving tackle.......as well as the test of the Man U team of course[emoji846]

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I thought it was. However besides the point. I do prefer to see VAR back a ref unless huge error. Sure they would have also backed it if he had given it

I can see your point, but it does then transfer the issue to the 'huge error'. When is an error huge/clear and obvious? In cricket there is the notion of the 'umpire's call' but these cases are clear, or as clear as they can be with current technology. With football the notion of huge error is always going to be a matter of opinion.
My view of VAR is that either you go all the way, and overrule all refereeing errors - or you throw the kit in the bin. .

I think that the whole 'clear and obvious; clause was introduced to maintain the status of the on-field officials. But when an error is overlooked by VAR this doesn't maintain the status of the ref - it just diminishes the status of VAR.

 

[Dancin Ninja BHA]

What's doubling annoying is that IF the ref had given the penalty, then Harry Macguire should have then be shown the red card

So even if we'd missed the penalty (probably!) we'd have played the last 20 mins against 10 men

All irrelevant I know, but he was NEVER going to give the penalty was he? But everyone, whoever they supports, knows that if it was Dunk pulling back Rashford, a penalty/red card would have been shown

Big team bias YET AGAIN

 

[vagabond]

Manchester United, Englands leading football brand, bringing in money for all of the PL all over the world. They need to be good - especially now with a new TV deal in negotiations. They need to be good so badly that they constantly get decisions that not even the other clubs get and it happens over and over again year in year out. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Same as it is maybe "coincidence" that the superstars (the English ones in particular) are able to do whatever they want on the pitch. Every week you see Maguire, Grealish or Kane doing something other players arent allowed to do.

Noticed how commentators never talk about dives these days? Would be bad for the reputation of the league. Notice yesterday how we're usually given a dozen replay angles showing zoomed in versions of situations like this? TV production didnt bother yesterday. Sometimes it feels like its really all about the brand/all about the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVdfDoXHdZc

That’s the clincher for me. Every other VAR decision seems to take its sweet time, last night, check was in under 5 seconds. Even the BT production didn’t seem concerned.

And someone made the claim that the VAR camera was off. I mean, what is this? “Whoops, terribly sorry the cameras were off we can’t check”. If that’s genuinely the reason those people operating VAR aren’t fit for purpose. You have one job.

 

[Saladpack Seagull]

Might well have been if it was Dunk on Rashford.

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No "might" about it.

 

[happypig]

Handy reminder :

1. Not a Penalty :


2. Stonewall Penalty:

 

[essbee1]

Initially, I thought no penalty. But the more I look at it the more it angers me that that to**ser Dean and his cronies
didn't bother to look properly. I now think it should have been a penalty.

 

[Icy Gull]

Initially, I thought no penalty. But the more I look at it the more it angers me that that to**ser Dean and his cronies
didn't bother to look properly. I now think it should have been a penalty.

It was brushed away so quickly by Dean, VAR and the commentators that I thought I must be wrong in my initial reaction that it was a definite penalty. It’s only today that I see it was just another big team decision.

 

[A1X]

Hugely reluctant to ever judge a foul based on a still photo.

Personally, if it was given against us I'd be furious and deem it incredibly soft, so fence.