beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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Does this only apply on vehicles up to 1972?
it 1980 currently, a rolling 40yr for vehicles going exempt. sadly not 1997, that would ahve been case in original 25yr rolling period.
Does this only apply on vehicles up to 1972?
I suspect that we are in for a huge culture shift in how we travel over the next 20 years.
Once 2030 kicks in, I presume petrol, prices will get higher and higher, forcing those who have not moved to electric to do so. Obviously the cost of electric cars will fall, but I do wonder whether families will still stick with the number of cars they have. Due to the pandemic both my wife and I now work at home and that is unlikely to revert back when society returns to normal. I can imagine us dropping down to one car in a few years... I'll just have to walk or get on my bike for local journeys - hopefully there will be more infrastructure for that too.
So, with quite possibly fewer cars on the road, and no emissions-based tax (note: 'road tax' hasn't existed for a long time, so I am careful how I word this), a new way of funding the roads and travel infrastructure will have to be found.
The only truly sustainable solution to local and national transport needs is a comprehensive and reliable public transport network.
Electric cars need batteries. The batteries need certain metals and minerals. There are insufficient deposits of these to support mass worldwide adoption of the electric car, and the cost/logistics of mining these metals is an obstacle that currently has no workable solution.
Electric cars still pollute the planet just in a different way, what's more VAT on elec is only 5%. Cyclists pollution is minimal and it also promotes health and well being reducing demand on the NHS etc
I'd love an electric car, but I don't think I'll ever be able to afford one. If I could, I don't have power in my garage to charge one. I don't think all electric by 2030 has been thought through.
Millions of batteries being produced and dumped is hardly going to be good for the environment.
The environmental objections to electric cars are valid. They aren't perfect. They are better than what we have and can be part of the solution to get us through the short term until we've improved other transport technology .
Science, as we've seen, is capable of working at great speed when there is a necessity to do so.
What people need with transport options is to be nudged towards more environmentally friendly options.
The truth is it's cheaper to commute by car than it is to commute by public transport. The sums need to be tilted the other way through state intervention.
My worry about the electric car is longevity, specifically around battery life.
We know that a petrol engine, if serviced appropriately will easily do 150k miles, a diesel 250+k so based on 10k per annum, these engines will do between 15 & 25 years.
Now, we've all owned a mobile phone, when it was new it would go for days on a single charge, but get to 5+ years and it's likely to go flat in less than a day - batteries age by not being able to hold their charge so efficiently.
So what will happen to 5 year old electric cars that, when new, did 400 miles on a single charge but now only manage 30-ish miles before batteries go flat.
They will need to fix battery life issues before electric cars can truly become sustainable - or electric cars will need a battery replacement scheduled in on a regular basis [2 year service cycle?]
Who has factored that cost in, both financially and environmentally?
You are kidding? Do you know how much energy and materials go into producing a car and the electricity to run it? The infrastructure they run on?
No longer polluting? Look again.
There is a thread about power to a garage 5 minute jobReplying just to yours, Audax to mine, I mentioned I have no power in the garage. My house is loosely end of a terrace of three, although effectively a semi. It runs my house, next door's house, her garage with power, mine with no power, the third neighbour's garage with power then the third neighbour's house. Would you think it easy to get power to my middle garage in those circumstances? I know some cars come with a free charging installation worth up to £600, but I doubt that would cover it.
For a start, you're assuming that somewhere will stay "undesirable" permanently. It may well be that your undesirable town is prime real estate. I saw a survey this week that said that Crawley is one of the best places to live in the country - that's a far cry from its reputation when I was young. I have experience of this: I moved to Balham in the mid-80s when its claim to fame was the most crime-ridden station on the Underground - it was cheap though. A few years ago, I saw a flat in my old block for sale at just under a million quid, it's become a very 'in' area.
Secondly, we may see more inducements for teachers to live nearer schools so they're part of the community.
Finally, as I posted earlier, we'll start seeing road price differentials where hiring a self-drive car in urban areas may would cost a fraction of the urban charge.
That's always assuming that schools continue to exist and kids aren't taught at home by remote link, of course.
Replying just to yours, Audax to mine, I mentioned I have no power in the garage. My house is loosely end of a terrace of three, although effectively a semi. It runs my house, next door's house, her garage with power, mine with no power, the third neighbour's garage with power then the third neighbour's house. Would you think it easy to get power to my middle garage in those circumstances? I know some cars come with a free charging installation worth up to £600, but I doubt that would cover it.
There is a thread about power to a garage 5 minute job
Nice one.
I was tempted to post on there, but didn't, want to derail the thread. Then I thought about a PM to you as you seem to know your stuff. Then I decided not to bother you as it seemed a bit unfair to waste your time. I'm not desperate for power in the garage, but I don't know where to go for advice if it's possible and reasonable bearing in mind there's a house and a garage between my house and garage.
Yeah, my bad assuming the garage would be close enough to run power from the house. What a weird set up they've gone with. Only solution I can think of for that scenario, assuming the orientation is ok, would be the put solar panels onto your part of the garage roofing and hook those to a solar charger. But that'll be a lot more than £600 and a bit of a waste of a solar installation really.
It would cost me a grand a week to go to work never going to happen, Tories would get booted up the road if they tried to implement it.
Yeah, my bad assuming the garage would be close enough to run power from the house. What a weird set up they've gone with. Only solution I can think of for that scenario, assuming the orientation is ok, would be the put solar panels onto your part of the garage roofing and hook those to a solar charger. But that'll be a lot more than £600 and a bit of a waste of a solar installation really.
I suppose it might be possible, with a friendly neighbour, to run cabling through the roof space (if available) or buried in the garden (if there's gardens). Would assume something through the roof space would be easier, unless it's been converted.
Once again:-
Commuting by car between decent sized conurbations needs to be considerably quicker, better, easier and smoother.
At which point the cars job needs to end, in favour of a wide array of affordable mass transport options.
Currently Low Traffic Neighbourhoods are the latest push button.
Get rid, stopping people, must drive car, I'm stuck in my home.
Got to wonder just how many local Councillors were contacted to ask for more traffic in their neighbourhoods.
£1 a mile or something like that I readWhy? Have I missed some specific calculations or pricing?
There is always a way when your readyNice one.
I was tempted to post on there, but didn't, want to derail the thread. Then I thought about a PM to you as you seem to know your stuff. Then I decided not to bother you as it seemed a bit unfair to waste your time. I'm not desperate for power in the garage, but I don't know where to go for advice if it's possible and reasonable bearing in mind there's a house and a garage between my house and garage.
£1 a mile or something like that I read