[Albion] Paul Winstanley joins Chelsea as Director of Global Talent and Transfers

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Do wonder to what extent he’s struggling (as predicted by many) with the egos in the squad……

’as you know, I’ve got a Masters………’

’yeah, but I played for Man City, was coached by Pep and you’ve never managed a big club or won anything ‘

I've not been paying a great deal of attention, but looking at the list of articles in the Guardian you only have to go back 2weeks to find columns raving about how he's reinvigorated the changing room in his promising start.
Since when they've lost to 2 of the best teams in the division and qualified for the knockouts in Europe at the top of their group. I'd take that kind of struggling.
Amusingly, I came across an article from a couple of days before our game against them going on about how exciting his use of Sterling as a wing back was, and how they'd probably not be as open against us as they were against Salzburg
Based on that article I suspect Potter's main failing is not being able to use his master's degree to strap Reece James' knee enough for him to take the field.

 

[FatSuperman]

The other thing I wonder about this, is that whilst the OU degree might not be some globally recognised award, he's still got a damned more training in the subject than practically any other football manager. Of course that doesn't mean he's naturally good, or the best at it, but still I think it's worth noting.

 

[Baldseagull]

I'm pretty sure one to one, or with small groups like a squad of players, is the only context in which this means anything.
Try connecting with a fan base of thousands on a personal level and you'll just drive yourself mad and please nobody.

Just had to try not to alienate a fan base of thousands, in reacting to a few hundred booing.
Try to show you understand why there is some dissatisfaction or frustration, rather than tell people they have no right to have any. Then you can tell them that it is not helpful or fair to express that in certain ways if you want to, but you don't take people with you by telling them their feelings are not valid.

In response to his less than warm return to the Amex, he showed that he felt disrespected for all the good he had done here, he needs to hear that old joke "I built 30 houses, but they don't call me John the Housebuilder, I ran 20 businesses, but they don't call me John the Businessman, I have shot dozens of Deer, but they don't call me John the Hunter. You shag one sheep......."

 

[Machiavelli]

The other thing I wonder about this, is that whilst the OU degree might not be some globally recognised award, he's still got a damned more training in the subject than practically any other football manager. Of course that doesn't mean he's naturally good, or the best at it, but still I think it's worth noting.

Why OU? Think he did his Masters at Leeds (might be wrong)

 

[Machiavelli]

I've not been paying a great deal of attention, but looking at the list of articles in the Guardian you only have to go back 2weeks to find columns raving about how he's reinvigorated the changing room in his promising start.
Since when they've lost to 2 of the best teams in the division and qualified for the knockouts in Europe at the top of their group. I'd take that kind of struggling.
Amusingly, I came across an article from a couple of days before our game against them going on about how exciting his use of Sterling as a wing back was, and how they'd probably not be as open against us as they were against Salzburg
Based on that article I suspect Potter's main failing is not being able to use his master's degree to strap Reece James' knee enough for him to take the field.

Might be this one, which I read beforehand and, it's worth noting, the nominal wing-backs played extremely advanced up the pitch and wide (stretching it), which was more akin to a winger. Liverpool do this a lot. As Steinberg indicates, it's also how we played for most the time of our great run of form under GP from cMarch-Sep22, with Tross and March in that role. Formation-wise, I think this is best captured by 3313.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Why OU? Think he did his Masters at Leeds (might be wrong)

In general, an Open University degree is as much of a degree as one from any other university anyway.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Why OU? Think he did his Masters at Leeds (might be wrong)

"He became assistant coach for the England Universities squad,[11] before joining Leeds Metropolitan University (now Leeds Beckett University) in a similar role; while at Leeds, he completed an MSc Leadership: Personal & Professional Development, which focused on using emotional intelligence"

Totally

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Potter got an open university degree in social sciences. He then got his masters in leadership and emotional intelligence from Leeds Metropolitan uni.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Has he left yet?

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Just had to try not to alienate a fan base of thousands, in reacting to a few hundred booing.
Try to show you understand why there is some dissatisfaction or frustration, rather than tell people they have no right to have any. Then you can tell them that it is not helpful or fair to express that in certain ways if you want to, but you don't take people with you by telling them their feelings are not valid.

In response to his less than warm return to the Amex, he showed that he felt disrespected for all the good he had done here, he needs to hear that old joke "I built 30 houses, but they don't call me John the Housebuilder, I ran 20 businesses, but they don't call me John the Businessman, I have shot dozens of Deer, but they don't call me John the Hunter. You shag one sheep......."

He alienated thousands of people by leaving. Before he did that barely anybody cared about his response to the original booing. After he left nobody's opinion was going to be altered by anything he said, and he doesn't have any reason to care.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Has Winstanley gone yet?

 

[Weststander]

He alienated thousands of people by leaving. Before he did that barely anybody cared about his response to the original booing. After he left nobody's opinion was going to be altered by anything he said, and he doesn't have any reason to care.

Yes they did, there was a big backlash, it was discussed to the nth degree and a lot of supporters thought it at best naive overreaction with a patronising snide comment about a history lesson.

 

[Questions]

I tuned into Talksport today for the first time in years and they were discussing Townsends opinion that Potter doesn’t show enough emotion…. To be fair Jordan and whoever else decided that if Paisley and Shankly didn’t feel the need to run up and down the touch line then it didn’t matter

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Yes they did, there was a big backlash, it was discussed to the nth degree and a lot of supporters thought it an at best naive overreaction with a patronising snide comment about a history lesson.

That was immediately afterwards.
How many people were going on about it by the time we finished 9th?

 

[Sheebo]

Has Winstanley gone yet?

Are you suggesting he will?

 

[sparkie]

Is Winstanley going into work or is he cursing the rain for interfering with his gardening ?

 

[Triggaaar]

Potter was clearly very thin skinned though, as was evidenced during his time here (history lessons, don't shout shoot etc)

I can't remember the 'don't shout shoot' one, but I have to say I mostly agree. There certainly was one game recently where the players were definitely overplaying it more than a couple of times, and the crowd reminding them they are allowed to shoot felt pretty reasonable, but I hear people shouting shoot when players are still 30 yards out (doesn't apply to Ally Mac who'd probably bury it) and I think that does cause problems. Tension can build in the crowd and pass to the players, who are better placed to decide when the right time to shoot is.

If Potter was telling people to stop, that seems like a good idea, rather than evidence of thin skin (like his history moment)

 

[chaileyjem]

Yes they did, there was a big backlash, it was discussed to the nth degree and a lot of supporters thought it an at best naive overreaction with a patronising snide comment about a history lesson.

Potter ended his time with us shaking his fist at away ends and the North Stand thoroughly enjoying victories with the fans. The players by all accounts loved him. Pep refused to shake his hand once when he over celebrated a goal contrary to this idea that he was a cold fish.

Now we hear the fans all thought he was aloof and snide and patronising. Come off it. Some will never get over the manner of his departure and quite right too but this thread is rewriting history at dizzying speed - this inverse snobbery about his degree of all things is laughable. Lets also be careful - this idea that RDZ (what’s not to like but let’s wait and see) after 7 games is everything he’s not . A bit premature to say the least

 

[GT49er]

He’s going to be subject to a level of scrutiny he’s simply never experienced………the media top 6 obsession needs constantly feeding…….if the results don’t come he’s going to get an awful lot more of this kind of thing. Big test.

"More below"............ how do I look at it then? (I'm not one of the Twitterati and really don't kmow my way roud Twitter, so help would be genuinely appreciated).

.....or does "more below" just refer to the string of inane replies from very thick and largely illiterate people?

 

[smudge]

As Steve Bunce would say, I'm not being an after-timer. I never felt he really got us. He would praise the away following of course, but had a few digs at the Amex, culminating in the mountain out of a molehill game v Leeds.
I actually tweeted after a goal-less draw at home to WBA, when he'd made a snide remark about the crowd that it's never a good idea to criticize your own fans and it usually ends in tears.

I actually hoped he'd stay, but the way it all panned out he really went down in my estimation. His thin skin is being well & truly tested by the Chelsea media, not to mention the glare of the national big hitters. He became the darling of the hipsters, now the tabloids will eat him alive.