[Drinking] Passport to the pub.

[Cheshire Cat]

It is discriminating against those who can't or won't have a vaccine for any reason - pregnancy seems to be an issue.

The vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy, so until more information is available, those who are pregnant should not routinely have this vaccine. Non-clinical evidence is required before any clinical studies in pregnancy can start, and before that, it is usual to not recommend routine vaccination during pregnancy.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...regnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

I also don't want to give out data on my whereabouts at any given time to any government agency or some unaccountable tech company. It's none of their business.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Sounds like a medical apartheid being brought in.

Might as well kill off all licenced premises right
now then

Clearly not going to happen. Show vaccine passport or be prepared to jump through additional hoops. Same as every other aspect of the new normal then

 

[Westdene Seagull]

And you can keep it that way by not going to the pubs that require a vaccine passport! Your choice.

Indeed I could but if you're going to allow businesses to select who they serve based on their medical history how far do you take it ? I will be having the jab but there is no way I'm going to show a retailer evidence I have had it. They either want my money or don't. I'd bet a hefty sum that no landlords will enforce such a stupid rule - I know for a fact my local landlord won't, he didn't even enforce social distancing last time they were open.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Who cares if they know where you have been or are ? If anything it should make it easier to catch criminals

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[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

I'm in favour of it.

I like the fact that it in effect coerces people to get vaccinated. We need as many of the young as possible jabbed to get towards herd immunity.

It is an intrusion, but 126,000 have died in the country. We need stop any more dying if at all possible. That's the bigger picture

People shouldn't be coerced into being vaccinations it should be a choice.
With vaccine passports they are as close as they can possibly get away with to forced vaccinations on the public.
And yes 126,000 have died and vaccinations are the best way to try and stop the epidemic and stop anymore dying but vaccine passports won't stop people dying of covid only vaccines will do that.

 

[Hilltop]

Might as well kill off all licenced premises right
now then

Clearly not going to happen. Show vaccine passport or be prepared to jump through additional hoops. Same as every other aspect of the new normal then

I don't think it'll happen either. Too many people are against it. There's not a MSM story on this where the comments section isn't packed with posts against all of this.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It was good enough for me!

Spoilt little shitbags don't know they are born these days!

"Hurry up and eat your halloumi, Maisy and you can have another craft lemonade....."

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

Who cares if they know where you have been or are ? If anything it should make it easier to catch criminals

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But why should law abiding people be treated like criminals?
Everyone has the right to walk freely about their business without being tracked or monitored by the state or advertising companies or political parties surely?

 

[drew]

Indeed I could but if you're going to allow businesses to select who they serve based on their medical history how far do you take it ? I will be having the jab but there is no way I'm going to show a retailer evidence I have had it. They either want my money or don't. I'd bet a hefty sum that no landlords will enforce such a stupid rule - I know for a fact my local landlord won't, he didn't even enforce social distancing last time they were open.

You make it sound like ignoring social distancing during a pandemic is a badge of honour rather than an act of dumb arrogance!!

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

When i go down my local after having had my jab and am safe to you your family and everyone else , so that i will not pass on anything nasty for you to take home to your loved ones . I damn well expect you and everyone else to return the same respect and decency , i don`t think that`s asking too much . So if that means some type of vaccination proof then so be it .

There is very little evidence to confirm that if you have been vaccinated that you then cannot pass it on to others.
The vaccine protects the person who has been vaccinated and hopefully stops it in its tracks but does not stop them potentially giving it to others.
This is another problem with vaccine passports in that it gives a false sense of security.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Who cares if they know where you have been or are ? If anything it should make it easier to catch criminals

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I don't worry about "them" having my data. I worry about "them" having the data of everyone else.

You see I am "smart" enough to see through the micro-targeted political propaganda "they" will bombard me with based on my data.

However, the rest of the "thickos" will just lap up anything that "they" target them with. Turning them into drone zombies that vote how "they" want.

^----- tongue in cheek, by the way.




( But there might be something worth pondering in the above nevertheless ).

 

[Hilltop]

Who cares if they know where you have been or are ? If anything it should make it easier to catch criminals

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Totally agree. How about getting everyone on tag, not just criminals? Hopefully then we can have curfews to leave our homes down to a restricted amount of time which the passport can monitor. Bill Gates is already suggesting that an even bigger virus is on the horizon so lets get this implemented ASAP!

 

[TugWilson]

But (just as devil’s advocate here) if you and your family have been vaccinated then you’re safe.

If somebody who hasn’t been vaccinated walks into the pub, the person taking the risk is them. Is it not their choice?


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I certainly DO NOT know all the facts , but it is my understanding that the covid vaccine works similarly to the flu jab , it lessens any effect of the virous but is no guarantee against getting it . However if everyone in a small area (pub) has been vaccinated the chances on infection are greatly reduced .

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I don't think it'll happen either. Too many people are again%4%st it. There's not a MSM story on this where the comments section isn't packed with posts against all of this.

Pub chain? Pub chain rules then

 

[Hilltop]

Pub chain? Pub chain rules then

They certainly do

https://sputniknews.com/uk/20210120...tish-pubs-hit-by-covid-19-hospitality-crisis/

 

[studio150]

Johnson being Johnson and just spouting something out for a headline without thinking things through or understanding the issues.

From yesterday Johnson said it was something that landlords may want to do, but with no time frame, and today says its something under consideration but not until the end of July when everyone will have been offered a jab.

However he failed to consider the following:

12 April Pubs can reopen serving drinks outside - are vaccination certificates required for this
17 May Pubs can serve drinks inside - are vaccination certificates required for this
21 June All legal limits are removed - are vaccination certificates required for this

End of July vaccine certificates required.

So from 12 April to end July we could be in the silly situation where vaccine certificates are not required and people will have been undertaking activities for about 10 weeks without the need for a vaccine certificate but then from the end of July they will need one, when the risk should be lower as more people would have been vaccinated.

Also if you are in the younger age group and have only had one jab in July, are you excluded from the pub as you have not had two jabs and have to wait for until you have had a second one.
How long does the vaccination certificate last for, given that there is talk that you will need to have a jab annually, are landlords expected to check the date on each certificate, and again will you need two jabs each year and therefore will be excluded for a period of at least 12 weeks while you have the annual jabs.
Is the certification dependent on the type of vaccine given, so that if you haven't had one of the two currently used is any certificate worthless.
Are school children exempt or banned from pubs.
What about people who are clinically excluded from having a jab.
What form will the certificate be in, if you are going down the route f smart phones, then the usual issue of not having a smart phone applies.
How easy would it be to forge a certificate, and indeed spot a forgery

If it applies to pubs will it apply to all venues including shops, so you need a certificate to go to the supermarket, etc.

Is it effectively national id cards by the backdoor.

Given that the vaccination programme was (is) put forward as a great success in bringing down infection rates and people getting a serious bout of covid why is certification required given by the end of July the Government will know what percentage of the population have had the jab and the full effects on covid,

But with Johnson in charge something else will be outsourced to his mates so that they can all rake in millions for doing next to nothing

 

[TugWilson]

There is very little evidence to confirm that if you have been vaccinated that you then cannot pass it on to others.
The vaccine protects the person who has been vaccinated and hopefully stops it in its tracks but does not stop them potentially giving it to others.
This is another problem with vaccine passports in that it gives a false sense of security.

I agree but as i said to [MENTION=35901]usernamed[/MENTION] if everyone in a pub has been vaccinated the chances on passing the virous on are greatly reduced . Anyone in the pub who has not been vaccinated is a threat both to giving and receiving the virus .

 

[Hilltop]

I agree but as i said to [MENTION=35901]usernamed[/MENTION] if everyone in a pub has been vaccinated the chances on passing the virous on are greatly reduced . Anyone in the pub who has not been vaccinated is a threat both to giving and receiving the virus .

I thought even after having the vaccine you can still catch and spread the virus?

 

[Chicken Run]

Yep - having it next week.

If you’re worried about transport and you’ve booked Brighton I’ll happily give you a lift and back [emoji106]

 

[Wrong-Direction]

I don't worry about "them" having my data. I worry about "them" having the data of everyone else.

You see I am "smart" enough to see through the micro-targeted political propaganda "they" will bombard me with based on my data.

However, the rest of the "thickos" will just lap up anything that "they" target them with. Turning them into drone zombies that vote how "they" want.

^----- tongue in cheek, by the way.




( But there might be something worth pondering in the above nevertheless ).

Thats already happening and has been for a while

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