Palace have over achieved and Brighton have disappointed why?

[Bwian]

No, we have not underachieved because of the fans.

The blame for underachievement lies at the door of a certain individual and his behind the scenes shenanigans. Well rid of him.

Who might that be?

 

[The Grockle]

I’m not sure I agree with the overachieving or underachieving comment but for me the attitude of the fans makes a big difference. I know many, many Palace fans and whilst there’s always a few with delusions of grandeur and unrealistic expectations they are very loyal and are simply enjoying their stint in the premier league and appreciate they were fortunate to gain promotion.

I love our club but it’s with a heavy heart I have to say a chunk of our fanbase are utter, utter knobheads, booing the team and calling for the managers head during a transitional period in one the most successful points in our history and from my point of view it’s not just a tiny minority.

Maybe many will disagree but I’m a strong believer that a vocal and supportive crowd can add a handful of points to the table and IMO on the whole our fans have been pretty pathetic.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Two points...

Palace's average attendance has virtually doubled in a season, so a sizeable proportion of their fans cheering them to survival in the Premier League did not cheer them out of the Championship. At least, if and when we go up, the same number of fans that supported the club in the Championship will be backing the team in the Premier league.

Palace have not suffered the inconvenience of paying their debts. They are being rewarded for their financial sharp practice, while we are hamstrung for adhering to the rules.

 

[Marxo]

We are still building a championship squad whereas 'they' were already established when we came up. Promotion/new stadium was effectively a new start for us so we are really still playing catch-up. BTW if we hadn't been in such disarray in the play-offs 'they' wouldn't be in the EPL now.

 

[spring hall convert]

It's Tony Pullis isn't it... I don't remember the fans making much of a difference until he turned up.

Not that I'd want him here.

 

[chamakh_attack]

Nope I don't think it is the fans. You are in a transitional period under Oscar which can be seen by your relative inconsistency. You've had more than your share of injuries too. But hey you are still flirting with the play offs - not bad when you're not firing on all cylinders.

The fans have to be given something to cheer and there maybe some frustration that may have led to booing or leaving early but once it comes together (and it will) the positivity will come back in.

We've had that positivity injection from the early part of last year and are still very much on the crest of that wave so cheering and supporting our club is easy (isn't it always in the good times). I do expect next season to be a little different as there will certainly be some fans who will suddenly believe we are established and therefore want more than mere survival. That's the nature of football and probably most tribally supported sport.

 

[trueblue]

You really must stop reading the Daily mirror and Sun Football gossip columns.

Haha. Never read either but do know quite a lot of people that are well connected in football.

 

[Seagull58]

So it's good management to waste a fortune on a whole squad of new players because you've got no long term plan. Then thrash around desperately trying to find a cheaper alternative to a candidate with proven premier league experience (At one point they were on the brink of taking Iain Dowie back) before finally accepting that your credibility will be shot forever if you do that and go cap in hand to the original candidate after wasting weeks. And then spend even more money in January (wisely this time).

Gosh. Yes. I hope our club can be run as well as that one day.

That's not a very objective view. They backed the manager who (just about) got them up. Then, when that didn't work, they backed the new man who has a great track record of keeping teams up. Not much to criticise there.

 

[trueblue]

That's not a very objective view. They backed the manager who (just about) got them up. Then, when that didn't work, they backed the new man who has a great track record of keeping teams up. Not much to criticise there.

Eventually, yes.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

What shenanigans would those be?

I have no desire to elaborate on anything which doesn't have an internet link reference in existence, but I will repeat that it would be good if the full truth about certain things came out.

 

[chamakh_attack]

Eventually, yes.

Surely it was good management to look at all potential candidates to find the right appointment seeing as TP's related cost was higher than perhaps they wanted to pay? They looked around to see if there was someone who could do the job required but with less financial risk. When spending a lot of money you don't spend it on the very first thing you see.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Pulis, pure and simple. Knows the division back to front, knows how to win games, got the fans on his side straight away.

 

[keaton]

Two points...

Palace's average attendance has virtually doubled in a season, so a sizeable proportion of their fans cheering them to survival in the Premier League did not cheer them out of the Championship. At least, if and when we go up, the same number of fans that supported the club in the Championship will be backing the team in the Premier league.

Palace have not suffered the inconvenience of paying their debts. They are being rewarded for their financial sharp practice, while we are hamstrung for adhering to the rules.

Their JCLs are very loud then whereas our's are very quiet

 

[churley1]

So it's good management to waste a fortune on a whole squad of new players because you've got no long term plan. Then thrash around desperately trying to find a cheaper alternative to a candidate with proven premier league experience (At one point they were on the brink of taking Iain Dowie back) before finally accepting that your credibility will be shot forever if you do that and go cap in hand to the original candidate after wasting weeks. And then spend even more money in January (wisely this time).

Gosh. Yes. I hope our club can be run as well as that one day.

This just goes to show how little you know about CPFC. We've come a hell of a long way under CPFC2010, every season we have finished higher than the last, we've reunited the club with the stadium and bought the training ground for a very good price also whilst never breaking the bank to get to where we are, I think the sale of Zaha and Clyne actually covered all our losses over the 3 years prior to promotion in fact.

We made some bad signings this season, that's a definite given, but how can you know the goings on at Selhurst with regards to managerial appointments? Dowie was never "on the brink" as you put it. It took a while to get Pulis but how can you put a negative twist on that? He was the first person we wanted after Holloway left and Millen was doing a decent job prior to his arrival.

I think the fans have inspired the players this season especially, we've become a very tightly knit family in SE25 with the ever increasing unique-ness of having only genuine supporters on our board and ones that answer absolutely any question regarding our club and are happy to try out new ideas that we suggest. Opposing fans like to make jokes about our supporters for copying foreign teams but we're the only club in the top division who have a group of fans that will sing for 90 minutes and that has to have played a part somewhere.

 

[Creaky]

Two points...

Palace's average attendance has virtually doubled in a season, so a sizeable proportion of their fans cheering them to survival in the Premier League did not cheer them out of the Championship. At least, if and when we go up, the same number of fans that supported the club in the Championship will be backing the team in the Premier league.

Palace have not suffered the inconvenience of paying their debts. They are being rewarded for their financial sharp practice, while we are hamstrung for adhering to the rules.

I would hazard a guess that if the Amex had the capacity then if and when we do get to the Premier League the number of fans would increase substantially.

Look how the number of fans increased when we got to the Championship

 

[London Irish]

Palace fans can be proud of how they support their team for sure, but in modern football driven by money and elite talent, fans play next to bugger all role as the 12th man.

Palace have overachieved, they picked a promotion specialist in Ollie to get them up and a survival specialist in Pulis to keep them there, in both instances the Palace board acting decisively and cleverly to minimise the transition strain. The fans were neither here or there in both cases, they were on Ollie's back for the run-in that got them promoted and I'd be willing to bet they would have picked a lot of managers over Pulis (as no doubt we would have).

We have underacheived because our two biggest architects Bloom and Gus fell out, and it looks as though Bloom has deepened that screw-up by picking a guy who has not got the best out of an expensively assembled (by our standards) squad this season. As fans we have played no role in any of that drama.

 

[Betfair Bozo]

Hmmm. How long ago was Parish complaining about the "fickle nature of (Palace's) support?"

Let's get it right. They overachieved in winning promotion with a reasonable squad of players that turned up and did the job in two play off matches against opponents who had off days. They'd be tailed off now had they not brought Pulis in who has done a fantastic job with the same hastily assembled players that Holloway could not organise and motivate. So the difference is due to the St Paulialikes in the stands or Pulis? I wonder. Well done to all concerned, I thought they might pick up the odd win against those with a soft underbelly but to beat the likes of Chelsea is no mean feat. They are safe for another year at least, and deservedly so.

I hardly think 27000 paying customers can be blamed for our recent travails regardless of the "entitlement" that some seem to bring to the party. And it's not just JCL's (if we are still using that tiresome phrase.) We have always had a percentage of moaners, same as every club in the country. Some seem to remember the Goldstone atmosphere for the likes of Arsenal in the FA Cup, or the Norwich QF or the 1978-9 season (I can't go further back.) Try recalling the utter silence as game after game of tedium was played out in front of us as we sank through the leagues. In a bizarre way we probably have Archer and Bellotti to "thank" for dragging us out of tacit acceptance and into (direct) action and back to raucous support. I think we are better off now, don't you?

 

[Hometownglory]

They turned up for the playoffs.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Because Lua Lua started in the 3-0, scored 2 at home before HT in the last regular game (which no'one else has since) & now hardly gets a kick because he's too exciting for Own Goal

 

[Danny-Boy]

Parish and his cronies came in pretty green behind the ears and to some extent it was ' seat of the pants ' management to start with, particularly with Holloway still there. But they seemed to have learnt pretty quickly what was required, made the change and then let the new man put his organisational skills in place. I am not putting it down to luck. They could have started with Holloway, to see how it went but they made a quick, bold decision and are now reaping the rewards and continuing to widen the financial gap between the two clubs.

It was Holloway's (brave) decision to walk away when he did. He realised that he had lost the dressing-room and that it needed someone like Pulis - who Ollie recommended - to get the season kickstarted without spending a fortune.

The Chairmen have however prevented Pulis splurging money on people like Peter Crouch who would have shored up the club but probably undermined the dressingroom with their high-paid contracts. There is still a nucleus of the promoted side there.