[Albion] Palace Fans Biggest Fear

[loz]

That argument doesn't really address the fact that you have allowed 11 players contracts to expire without signing anyone to replace them.
There are another 8 whose contracts expire next season.

Parish's handling of the squad has been very poor.
Whether it comes back to haunt you is anyone's guess, but I suspect it leads to spending more on fees and wages than is necessary.

I would say that was a deliberate, apart from Townsend I would say we have resigned the players that they wanted to stay, many of that 11 never played at all last season.

 

[rippleman]

I think loz (the only decent palace poster on here) should mentor young milo and show him where he is going wrong. The homophobic dougie doesn't seem to be leading the young 'un in the right direction.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I would say that was a deliberate, apart from Townsend I would say we have resigned the players that they wanted to stay, many of that 11 never played at all last season.

I don't doubt that for a second, but surely it's better to try and sell/loan out players you don't want, than to just run down their contracts.
admittedly I don't know much about these players so apologies if they have been out on loan.

It just seems odd that 19 players contracts being run down , when you've had quite a small squad anyway.

 

[MJsGhost]

I've said before - not sure if it's this thread or another - but it could work out really well for Palace.

They have the opportunity to almost entirely overhaul a squad at a time when wages & transfer fees are relatively low.

If (big if) Vieira turns out to be the right man for the job and if (just as big an if) they can make the right signings, they have the chance of a fresh start without needing their usual trick of going into administration.

It's a big ask to get that number of transfers right though and I'm pretty confident Vieira will be a car crash, so fingers crossed!

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

I've said before - not sure if it's this thread or another - but it could work out really well for Palace.

They have the opportunity to almost entirely overhaul a squad at a time when wages & transfer fees are relatively low.

If (big if) Vieira turns out to be the right man for the job and if (just as big an if) they can make the right signings, they have the chance of a fresh start without needing their usual trick of going into administration.

It's a big ask to get that number of transfers right though and I'm pretty confident Vieira will be a car crash, so fingers crossed!

Well that's good news for the Ambulance service and many local businesses!

 

[FatSuperman]

I would say that was a deliberate, apart from Townsend I would say we have resigned the players that they wanted to stay, many of that 11 never played at all last season.

As of 5th July, you have lost players that accounted almost 40% of your minutes last year. In the 'minutes played' table, you've kept your top 5 players, but positions 6 and 7 are gone.

So perhaps many of the individual's you've released 'never played at all last season', but you've definitely lost a load of first team minutes. Of course, that may prove to be a good thing!

 

[MJsGhost]

I think loz (the only decent palace poster on here) should mentor young milo and show him where he is going wrong. The homophobic dougie doesn't seem to be leading the young 'un in the right direction.

Mr Putdown always seems far too balanced & sensible to be a Palace fan, not one of the wind up merchants we usually get on here.

 

[Stat Brother]

Mr Putdown always seems far too balanced & sensible to be a Palace fan, not one of the wind up merchants we usually get on here.

I've tried to point Milo in the right direction, very much to the detriment of the Albion.
In return he PROUDLY gave us Jeffrey Schlupp's international 'career'.

Sometimes people are just idiots.

 

[Stato]

many of that 11 never played at all last season.

So Palace fans keep saying, but here are the actual numbers:

12 Players, who made squad appearances last year who have now gone (I've added Batshuayi as his loan ended)

Cayhill - 20 appearances in 2020/21 / 27 times in the matchday squad
Clyne - 14/22
Dann - 15/30
McCarthy - 17/26
Sakho - 6/14
Townsend - 36/40
Van Aanolt -23/34
Batshuayi (loan) - 20/37
Hennessey 0/5
Henderson 0/3
Wickham 0/3
Woods 0/1

That's a total of 151 appearances and 242 squad selections out of 39 games: A maximum of 546 appearances from the first eleven plus three subs, 702 squad selections with a maximum squad size of 18 players.

These players between them made 27.65% of the total appearances.
They took up 34.47% of your total squad places.

Between them they played in just under, and were in the squad for just over, a third of your games. So at the minimum, you probably need to replace a third of your 18 man match day squad. Given injuries to Eze and Ferguson and the annual transfer request from Zaha, let's say the best scenario is that you need a minimum of eight signings, loans or promotions from the U23s to replace the contributions of this lot. The season starts three weeks tomorrow. Deadline day is 6 and a half weeks away. Many said that Fulham may have survived last year had they got their eventual squad in place much earlier.

Tick, tick, tick.

 

[The Fifth Column]

So Palace fans keep saying, but here are the actual numbers:

12 Players, who made squad appearances last year who have now gone (I've added Batshuayi as his loan ended)

Cayhill - 20 appearances in 2020/21 / 27 times in the matchday squad
Clyne - 14/22
Dann - 15/30
McCarthy - 17/26
Sakho - 6/14
Townsend - 36/40
Van Aanolt -23/34
Batshuayi (loan) - 20/37
Hennessey 0/5
Henderson 0/3
Wickham 0/3
Woods 0/1

That's a total of 151 appearances and 242 squad selections out of 39 games: A maximum of 546 appearances from the first eleven plus three subs, 702 squad selections with a maximum squad size of 18 players.

These players between them made 27.65% of the total appearances.
They took up 34.47% of your total squad places.

Between them they played in just under, and were in the squad for just over, a third of your games. So at the minimum, you probably need to replace a third of your 18 man match day squad. Given injuries to Eze and Ferguson and the annual transfer request from Zaha, let's say the best scenario is that you need a minimum of eight signings, loans or promotions from the U23s to replace the contributions of this lot. The season starts three weeks tomorrow. Deadline day is 6 and a half weeks away. Many said that Fulham may have survived last year had they got their eventual squad in place much earlier.

Tick, tick, tick.

Spot on.

A paper thin squad that has lost a ton of experience needing a total overhaul and several players to come in after preseason is already underway! Needing to adapt to a rookie managers style who I doubt has much idea what team he will be able to pick or how to play them. No guarantee those players will be found, playing for Palace in that dump is hardly the ambition or pinnacle of any players career and must be a tough sell to any target. That's why they always end up paying top dollar on transfers and wages. What could possibly go wrong? Bottom 3 all season long, maybe even bottom.

 

[nickbrighton]

What I really do not understand about most of the Palace posters on NSC (IOZ and a couple of others excepted, who seem reasonable, decent ordinary fans) is this apparent blindness to the actual situation they are in.

I can not think of any time when Brighton fans on here -even the most optimistic of us, have lacked a modicum of realism. We all know we aren't "a big club", we all know that realistically we aren't going to be top half fighting for Europe, we all know that we are a small fish in a pond with most of the other fish bigger than us. We know that success for us this season is to be safely between 15th and 10th without nervously looking at other results on a weekly basis, and the vast majority of us would I expect be very happy with that outcome

We know that whilst improving our squad is lacking in the gaol scoring department, and we also know we aren't going to spunk £30 million for the elusive 20 goal a season striker

We know that we have a lot of young players with the POTENTIAL to be very very good, but accept that buying from European, and the championship , and promoting from the U23 and academy means that any player we get will have a transition period, and may actually struggle and not work out

We know that attracting high class players to a lower positional prem team is bloody hard, despite our almost universally acknowledged very top quality stadium and training ground and facilities

This we all accept and we are now seeing the results starting to reflect our hopes, but are very aware that this season could very well be more of the same

Palace on the other hand seem to think clearing out 8 experienced players, and replacing them with similar style signings that we have done (championship, chesleas acadamy etc) is guaranteeing them an easy ride. They seem to believe that despite everything indicating the opposite that there is big money in the transfer kitty, and another six or so signings are just a matter of time, and that they will attract high quality players to their stadium and training facilities

They think their new 5th or 6th choice of manager will (despite zero track record at squad building and changing playing style of an entire club) will somehow get them easily top half in his first season, when with just over 3 weeks till kick off, they still have 6 or 7 player vacancies for the 25 man squad and no actual signings on the horizon other than "linked with" garbage from sky sports and the like

Of course it is possible that over the next couple of weeks, there will be six or seven signings that slot right into the first team, find premier league football a walk in the park, and they may be challenging for Europe. But to EXPECT that, and come on their biggest rivals forum telling us that all is well at the stad de clad, when the reality is likely to be the opposite, with the bookies having them as among he most likely to go down along with the promoted clubs seems to be either delusion or willful misreading of the situation.

In similar circumstances I think 95% of us would be firmly in the bedwetting section, and certainly wouldnt be making a big noise all over the BBS (if we were allowed to that is)

 

[vagabond]

I think if I were a Palace fan (God forbid) I'd be quite excited by this season, a new manager hopefully bringing a more open and attacking style of play, some young and exciting signings made, going away from the tried and tested model favoured by Roy.......but there is a huge worry that such a change of direction could take away the pretty much guarantee of PL safety. However if it works it could give time for the academy to bear fruit and start the conveyor belt of talent.....it goes wrong and they could do a Leeds, Pompey, Sunderland, Massive.....

I don't think I'd be on here giving it large though.

Agree. No doubt Viera is a huge gamble, but if it were my club I’d sooner take a gamble than go for another dinosaur type again.

Though obviously I’d be delighted if the gamble doesn’t pay off and they’re 10 points adrift by Christmas…

 

[vagabond]

What I really do not understand about most of the Palace posters on NSC (IOZ and a couple of others excepted, who seem reasonable, decent ordinary fans) is this apparent blindness to the actual situation they are in.

I can not think of any time when Brighton fans on here -even the most optimistic of us, have lacked a modicum of realism. We all know we aren't "a big club", we all know that realistically we aren't going to be top half fighting for Europe, we all know that we are a small fish in a pond with most of the other fish bigger than us. We know that success for us this season is to be safely between 15th and 10th without nervously looking at other results on a weekly basis, and the vast majority of us would I expect be very happy with that outcome

Well. Maybe.

Perhaps you missed the weekly Potter in-out polls last season. Many here were angry and not happy with us being in and around the relegation zone and calling for GPs head as recently as December. I used to enjoy asking “where do you think a Brighton in the PL should be then?”, rarely got an answer.

In fairness I think that minority has shrunk further since then, but no doubts if we have a bad run again next season (which is a completely realistic proposition for a club like us) it’ll be interesting to see the reaction here.

 

[nickbrighton]

Well. Maybe.

Perhaps you missed the weekly Potter in-out polls last season. Many here were angry and not happy with us being in and around the relegation zone and calling for GPs head as recently as December. I used to enjoy asking “where do you think a Brighton in the PL should be then?”, rarely got an answer.

In fairness I think that minority has shrunk further since then, but no doubts if we have a bad run again next season (which is a completely realistic proposition for a club like us) it’ll be interesting to see the reaction here.

i saw the in-out polls, i saw people unhappy, what i didnt see was the expectation that we would be top half, or that our u23s would tear up the premier league.

Im not saying we were all happy with the situation, or will be again this season, I am saying you don't see many expecting us to be top half

 

[Uh_huh_him]

What I really do not understand about most of the Palace posters on NSC (IOZ and a couple of others excepted, who seem reasonable, decent ordinary fans) is this apparent blindness to the actual situation they are in.

I can not think of any time when Brighton fans on here -even the most optimistic of us, have lacked a modicum of realism. We all know we aren't "a big club", we all know that realistically we aren't going to be top half fighting for Europe, we all know that we are a small fish in a pond with most of the other fish bigger than us. We know that success for us this season is to be safely between 15th and 10th without nervously looking at other results on a weekly basis, and the vast majority of us would I expect be very happy with that outcome

We know that whilst improving our squad is lacking in the gaol scoring department, and we also know we aren't going to spunk £30 million for the elusive 20 goal a season striker

We know that we have a lot of young players with the POTENTIAL to be very very good, but accept that buying from European, and the championship , and promoting from the U23 and academy means that any player we get will have a transition period, and may actually struggle and not work out

We know that attracting high class players to a lower positional prem team is bloody hard, despite our almost universally acknowledged very top quality stadium and training ground and facilities

This we all accept and we are now seeing the results starting to reflect our hopes, but are very aware that this season could very well be more of the same

Palace on the other hand seem to think clearing out 8 experienced players, and replacing them with similar style signings that we have done (championship, chesleas acadamy etc) is guaranteeing them an easy ride. They seem to believe that despite everything indicating the opposite that there is big money in the transfer kitty, and another six or so signings are just a matter of time, and that they will attract high quality players to their stadium and training facilities

They think their new 5th or 6th choice of manager will (despite zero track record at squad building and changing playing style of an entire club) will somehow get them easily top half in his first season, when with just over 3 weeks till kick off, they still have 6 or 7 player vacancies for the 25 man squad and no actual signings on the horizon other than "linked with" garbage from sky sports and the like

Of course it is possible that over the next couple of weeks, there will be six or seven signings that slot right into the first team, find premier league football a walk in the park, and they may be challenging for Europe. But to EXPECT that, and come on their biggest rivals forum telling us that all is well at the stad de clad, when the reality is likely to be the opposite, with the bookies having them as among he most likely to go down along with the promoted clubs seems to be either delusion or willful misreading of the situation.

In similar circumstances I think 95% of us would be firmly in the bedwetting section, and certainly wouldnt be making a big noise all over the BBS (if we were allowed to that is)

In fairness it's a bit odd being on a rival's forum in the first place.
I think some of the "away" fans who post on here, do so, because it's a good forum.
Then there are the rivals looking to trigger us with various windups.
Then there are the out and out trolls.

I'm sure there are a few Brighton fans who fall into the last two categories on BBS.

 

[Milo]

What I really do not understand about most of the Palace posters on NSC (IOZ and a couple of others excepted, who seem reasonable, decent ordinary fans) is this apparent blindness to the actual situation they are in.

I can not think of any time when Brighton fans on here -even the most optimistic of us, have lacked a modicum of realism. We all know we aren't "a big club", we all know that realistically we aren't going to be top half fighting for Europe, we all know that we are a small fish in a pond with most of the other fish bigger than us. We know that success for us this season is to be safely between 15th and 10th without nervously looking at other results on a weekly basis, and the vast majority of us would I expect be very happy with that outcome

We know that whilst improving our squad is lacking in the gaol scoring department, and we also know we aren't going to spunk £30 million for the elusive 20 goal a season striker

We know that we have a lot of young players with the POTENTIAL to be very very good, but accept that buying from European, and the championship , and promoting from the U23 and academy means that any player we get will have a transition period, and may actually struggle and not work out

We know that attracting high class players to a lower positional prem team is bloody hard, despite our almost universally acknowledged very top quality stadium and training ground and facilities

This we all accept and we are now seeing the results starting to reflect our hopes, but are very aware that this season could very well be more of the same

Palace on the other hand seem to think clearing out 8 experienced players, and replacing them with similar style signings that we have done (championship, chesleas acadamy etc) is guaranteeing them an easy ride. They seem to believe that despite everything indicating the opposite that there is big money in the transfer kitty, and another six or so signings are just a matter of time, and that they will attract high quality players to their stadium and training facilities

They think their new 5th or 6th choice of manager will (despite zero track record at squad building and changing playing style of an entire club) will somehow get them easily top half in his first season, when with just over 3 weeks till kick off, they still have 6 or 7 player vacancies for the 25 man squad and no actual signings on the horizon other than "linked with" garbage from sky sports and the like

Of course it is possible that over the next couple of weeks, there will be six or seven signings that slot right into the first team, find premier league football a walk in the park, and they may be challenging for Europe. But to EXPECT that, and come on their biggest rivals forum telling us that all is well at the stad de clad, when the reality is likely to be the opposite, with the bookies having them as among he most likely to go down along with the promoted clubs seems to be either delusion or willful misreading of the situation.

In similar circumstances I think 95% of us would be firmly in the bedwetting section, and certainly wouldnt be making a big noise all over the BBS (if we were allowed to that is)

If this is aimed at me then again you're wrong, I don't think we will make Europe, its possible but highly unlikely. Ive always said top 15 with the current squad and top 12 with a few more quality signings.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

If this is aimed at me then again you're wrong, I don't think we will make Europe, its possible but highly unlikely. Ive always said top 15 with the current squad and top 12 with a few more quality signings.

Top 15 with a 19 man squad?
Impressive.

 

[Milo]

Top 15 with a 19 man squad?
Impressive.

Yep, I believe in the quality we have. Plus a few under 23's can step in if needed, we have 2 or 3 big prospects.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Yep, I believe in the quality we have. Plus a few under 23's can step in if needed, we have 2 or 3 big prospects.

Utterly clueless.

It is unproven quality as they have next to no premier league experience.


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[Milo]

Utterly clueless.

It is unproven quality as they have next to no premier league experience.


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About 15 of our squad are seasoned Prem pros with a wealth of experience.