[Albion] Palace Fans Biggest Fear

[loz]

Yeah I know.

I was going to add something about the fact they should have started the change earlier, but I know he is a good guy, so didn't want it to sound like point scoring.

No doubt we should have. But as we have been a middle table team and net really fussed by relegation I can see why it was left to drift but after the last two seasons with no crowds it was really telling how boring we were.

When Brighton made the change to potter and a new way of playing I would say it was an easier decision at that season and especially the last 10 games of that season you were pretty bad and needed Palace to beat Cardiff to save you ( that must have hurt Mr Bloom ) it wasn’t going to get better so you twisted and so far although not pulling up trees in the league the football is easier on the eye.

 

[Springal]

I haven’t seen that, I’ve seen comments of not having contact with the club, regarding a new contract, but that’s hardly slagging the club off for the last few months.
He wrote a lovely farewell message to all at Palace, and he appreciated all their support over the years.
Not the type of message you would expect from a angry, pissed off player.

He was slightly annoyed by the fact that the deadline for contract talks kept moving out because no manager was in place, reading between the lines it was basically because it was known for so long that Roy was leaving the fact a new manager was left so late and no-one would discuss contracts seemed disappointing

 

[Se20]

He was slightly annoyed by the fact that the deadline for contract talks kept moving out because no manager was in place, reading between the lines it was basically because it was known for so long that Roy was leaving the fact a new manager was left so late and no-one would discuss contracts seemed disappointing

Yep that’s fair comment.
My understanding is the club and Andros’s agent were miles apart in salary and length of contract.
He’s done well, a 2 year deal on decent wedge, and gives him a opportunity to carry on playing in the PL.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Yep that’s fair comment.
My understanding is the club and Andros’s agent were miles apart in salary and length of contract.
He’s done well, a 2 year deal on decent wedge, and gives him a opportunity to carry on playing in the PL.

It's good to see Palace looking to reign in their salaries.
Unavoidable and something likely to become more commonplace across the "other 14" over the next couple of seasons I suspect.

Edit: The players and agents are going to be very resistant though, which I can see being the case with Cahill and Townsend in your case.

 

[Stato]

Considering Olise is Townsend's replacement and Guehi is Dann's replacement then yes, i feel we have upgraded.

You're saying that a kid who has never played a minute of top level football is an upgrade on former England international Andros Townsend! It would be my guess that you have based this opinion on nothing more than a highlights reel. I suspect that you didn't tune in to a load of Reading's games last season. If Guehi is Dann's replacement then he'll be playing less than half of your games this season. The question would probably be 'In that case, who is Cahill's replacement?'

Mwepu is not a player I dream about having for Palace. He played in a poor league and the step up is huge.

Of course Mwepu is not a player you would dream of playing for Palace. You, like us, had never heard of him until we signed him. The exact same thing could be said about Bissouma, a player whose praises you have sung throughout your posts on here. (Although with his name spelled incorrectly every time.) Our advertised strategy is to buy players from under used markets and develop their potential.

The facts are that you have released or lost 8 players who played over 200 games for Palace between them last season. So far, you have signed two Championship kids with potential, Sunderland's goalie on a free and a kid from the MLS. You're rumoured to be interested in a lot of other players and nobody is saying that you won't put together a squad that can be competitive before the season starts. We're all just saying that you have a long, long way to go and that, at the present moment, being on here gobbing off about a new dawn at Selhurst makes you look a bit silly.

By the way, how many times have you actually seen Olise and Guehi play? I'm guessing as many times as you have seen Mwepu, Moder or any of our other youngsters that you are writing off. It's pretty obvious that, had we signed Olise and you signed Mwepu, you would be on here arguing the exact opposite of your current tosh. For Palace, like for any team making big changes, it could go either way. Yes, its a little exciting seeing your team trying to be a bit more ambitious, but have the maturity to recognise that your personal hopes and optimism are not facts. You have come to the most hostile audience that you could have chosen with very little evidence to back up anything you believe. I'd suggest that you go away, talk to fellow Palace fans about your excitement, keep your powder dry and come back in September if your hopes have been realised and you've played us off the park at Selhurst.

 

[dadams2k11]

You're saying that a kid who has never played a minute of top level football is an upgrade on former England international Andros Townsend! It would be my guess that you have based this opinion on nothing more than a highlights reel. I suspect that you didn't tune in to a load of Reading's games last season. If Guehi is Dann's replacement then he'll be playing less than half of your games this season. The question would probably be 'In that case, who is Cahill's replacement?'



Of course Mwepu is not a player you would dream of playing for Palace. You, like us, had never heard of him until we signed him. The exact same thing could be said about Bissouma, a player whose praises you have sung throughout your posts on here. (Although with his name spelled incorrectly every time.) Our advertised strategy is to buy players from under used markets and develop their potential.

The facts are that you have released or lost 8 players who played over 200 games for Palace between them last season. So far, you have signed two Championship kids with potential, Sunderland's goalie on a free and a kid from the MLS. You're rumoured to be interested in a lot of other players and nobody is saying that you won't put together a squad that can be competitive before the season starts. We're all just saying that you have a long, long way to go and that, at the present moment, being on here gobbing off about a new dawn at Selhurst makes you look a bit silly.

By the way, how many times have you actually seen Olise and Guehi play? I'm guessing as many times as you have seen Mwepu, Moder or any of our other youngsters that you are writing off. It's pretty obvious that, had we signed Olise and you signed Mwepu, you would be on here arguing the exact opposite of your current tosh. For Palace, like for any team making big changes, it could go either way. Yes, its a little exciting seeing your team trying to be a bit more ambitious, but have the maturity to recognise that your personal hopes and optimism are not facts. You have come to the most hostile audience that you could have chosen with very little evidence to back up anything you believe. I'd suggest that you go away, talk to fellow Palace fans about your excitement, keep your powder dry and come back in September if your hopes have been realised and you've played us off the park at Selhurst.

Basically, put up (facts) or shut up.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Basically, put up (facts) or shut up.

He will be here until they fail to win any of their first 5, but will be back when we lose to them at Selhurst.

Palace 1 Brighton 0
Mwepu og 92
Palace Shots 1
Brighton Shots 35.

Get your money on it now.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Palace Shots 1
Brighton Shots 35.

You're expecting them to actually get a shot?

You crazy madman.

 

[seaford]

This sums up my feelings on [MENTION=42405]Milo[/MENTION]s comedy posts on this thread

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."

I would go with this in relation to the conversations people are having with Milo:
You are arguing with a stupid person, he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience

 

[wardy wonder land]

He will be here until they fail to win any of their first 5, but will be back when we lose to them at Selhurst.

Palace 1 Brighton 0
Mwepu og 92
Palace Shots 1
Brighton Shots 35.

Get your money on it now.

Pendant alert

surly if it is a Mwepu og then we win 0-1 ?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Pendant alert

surly if it is a Mwepu og then we win 0-1 ?

Mwepu is our new signing.

Am I missing something?

 

[lawros left foot]

I can understand [MENTION=42405]Milo[/MENTION] excitement.

A Palace transfer window recently has been to be ‘ linked’ with numerous, exciting signings.

They then sign one fairly mediocre midfielder, a couple of loans that no one else wants, and are told by Parish that Palace were unlucky not to have got their top targets.
Even though they have not put in a serious bid for them.

This one does seem a little different, but I’m still waiting for the World beating player they get on loan, who plays about5 games on 120,000 a week.

 

[dadams2k11]

This sums up my feelings on [MENTION=42405]Milo[/MENTION]s comedy posts on this thread

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."

How did I miss this. That's is spot on.

 

[Lethargic]

Going back to the original thread title and not silly arguments about whether palace are in London, crowd sizes and long gone chairmen spunking too much money.

In the last few seasons my biggest fear was a club turning into a Stoke or Coventry of old with old players just doing enough to stay up year in year out and decent young player sold to pay the wages of the ready bought premier player.

The premier league for all but 4 clubs is quite boring if your honest, so to see a young manager bought in and young players from lower leagues and a few from the academy playing in the first team is for me getting my mojo in a good place.

It may work it may not, but it’s a different turn from the last 3 or so seasons, if we go down we go down, I’ll still go the same as before , and as a life time fan those 3 seasons in the 3rd tier in the 70s and watching a young team being built where some of my favourite memories.

So my biggest fear at the moment is not being able to watch them live because of this bloody pandemic, but I am sure you have that as a biggest fear as well.

A much more reasoned post than certain posters on a wind up. You have nailed it really we had no choice but to change and the the following season was touch and go with Potter having to rein in his style part of the seasons as we needed points over substance but the development has been maintained and seems to be reaching a point where we should see tangible returns. As you say Palace could have continued on their Stoke style path but it was going no where and would run out at some point so worth the gamble, I cannot comment whether Vierra is the right manager or the player you have brought will deliver but it reached a point you had to do something. At least you will have more fun next season but as you say its a gamble and can go either way, you hope up we hope down.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

A much more reasoned post than certain posters on a wind up. You have nailed it really we had no choice but to change and the the following season was touch and go with Potter having to rein in his style part of the seasons as we needed points over substance but the development has been maintained and seems to be reaching a point where we should see tangible returns. As you say Palace could have continued on their Stoke style path but it was going no where and would run out at some point so worth the gamble, I cannot comment whether Vierra is the right manager or the player you have brought will deliver but it reached a point you had to do something. At least you will have more fun next season but as you say its a gamble and can go either way, you hope up we hope down.

Yes agreed.


The big difference between the clubs is recruitment.

Dougie Freedman stlll seems to be the main man on that front ansd his skillset is identifying British talent, whereas our recruitment is much more far reaching.

I would say that Palace will get a much better hit rate than we will, but will have to spend bigger to get the players in.
probably the better approach with their current situation, where nearly every signing will have to hit the ground running.

 

[Stat Brother]

Some people are never happy

It does rather factor into the equation.
Much like the wins against Newcastle without Wilson and Maximum.

All they do is offset the crippling defeats like Utd at home, I can't believe I'm still not over that!, plus all the others I am over.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

It does rather factor into the equation.
Much like the wins against Newcastle without Wilson and Maximum.

All they do is offset the crippling defeats like Utd at home, I can't believe I'm still not over that!, plus all the others I am over.

Same.

I think it was the joy of Solly's equaliser, followed by the full time whistle.
More of a travesty than the palace loss for me.

 

[Se20]

You're expecting them to actually get a shot?

You crazy madman.

We had 2 on target at The Amex last season

 

[Uh_huh_him]

No doubt we should have. But as we have been a middle table team and net really fussed by relegation I can see why it was left to drift but after the last two seasons with no crowds it was really telling how boring we were.

When Brighton made the change to potter and a new way of playing I would say it was an easier decision at that season and especially the last 10 games of that season you were pretty bad and needed Palace to beat Cardiff to save you ( that must have hurt Mr Bloom ) it wasn’t going to get better so you twisted and so far although not pulling up trees in the league the football is easier on the eye.

That argument doesn't really address the fact that you have allowed 11 players contracts to expire without signing anyone to replace them.
There are another 8 whose contracts expire next season.

Parish's handling of the squad has been very poor.
Whether it comes back to haunt you is anyone's guess, but I suspect it leads to spending more on fees and wages than is necessary.

 

[HAILSHAM SEAGULL]

Considering Olise is Townsend's replacement and Guehi is Dann's replacement then yes, i feel we have upgraded.

And no I didn't want to keep Townsend!! He was poor at the end of his time here, Everton has a good crosser of the ball, that's it. He will be a bench/squad player for them, mark my words.

So what if Alzate scored at Anfield? And Moder vs England? Does that make them good players suddenly then? They are raw and totally unproven.

We will sign another 4-5 players, it's nailed on. The money is there. We are weaker now, we won't be in 3-4 weeks time.

Mwepu is not a player I dream about having for Palace. He played in a poor league and the step up is huge. You dream of players like Zaha and Eze though, lets be honest here.

In regards to your last point, about the front 3's, we scored 7 more goals than you, that's a far amount.

You can wet dream about Mr Tumble and Eze this season..... Mr Tumble might still leave before the window shuts, and Eze is out for most, if not all of this season.