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[Politics] Owen jones añd andrew neil last night
- Thread starter Dave the OAP
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driller
my life my word
Even you will hate him after that embarrassing performance.
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brightn'ove
cringe
You are wrong there IMO. He represents Momentum, but not the entire left.
- Apr 5, 2014
- 25,940
Jones annoys the hell out of me but is crucial to the political balance at the moment.
'Chavs' was an excellent read- if not a bit too heavy on the class war thing.
Albion Dan
Banned
I don't think Owen Jones tries to hide anything or presents politics shows where he should be neutral?
nwgull
Well-known member
I mis-read your post and transposed Owen Jones before '...is a misogynist'. Doesn't really change my opinion of Jones either way though; I still think he's a massive bell-end.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
They both are.
nwgull
Well-known member
I won't disagree, but Jones winds me up more, as it's people like him that make me unable to vote for the Labour Party. I'm waiting for a bunch of the more moderate labour MPs, and maybe even some centrist tories, to get together with the remnants of the Lib Dems and form a new centre left party that middle England can vote for.
My view on him too, I thought his book Chavs was great when it first came out as he was young and had that 6th form anarchy feel to his work, the problem is he just has not developed or matured from that at all.
Until he was mentioned on here a few days ago I'd never really heard of Owen Jones. I've just watched This Week from last night after seeing this thread and even as a floating voter ( i.e. I'm left and right ) I think he's a jumped up little **** with his head so far up his own arse he can see his teeth. Spends ages, rightfully, attacking the far right but dismisses any issues with the far left with a single sentence that had few enough words you could count on two hands. Utter prick.
crookie
Well-known member
You, me and plenty of others I'd have thought
Nixonator
Well-known member
He is a childlike pseudo-intellectual looney who refuses to debate anybody politically opposed to him unless he plans on having a shouting match. He avoids anybody with any degree of expertise in any field from which he spouts fallacies and incoherent gibberish.
He loathes and abides Douglas Murray (hence the agenda against the Spectator which has been going on for a while) who has a vast degree more hands-on experience and knowledge than he does, because he doesn't like his point of view.
The only person I ever remember him debating in political oppostion without resorting to obfuscating and interruption is Peter Hitchens, and god knows where he lies on the political spectrum nowadays bearing in mind he thinks we're in the end times.
When talking haphazardly about Islam, he also failed to turn in for a panel with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, which is all the evidence you need.
highflyer
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,553
I've also seen little evidence of attempts by Owen to intimidate or bully anyone.
He doesn't hide his views, but has a long history of open engagement and debate - as per this interview with UKIP's Carswell in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pa-e_kzg2s
Hotchilidog
Well-known member
- Jan 24, 2009
- 9,123
Jones totally owned Neil in that exchange. Good to see the odious Neil on the back foot.
The Merry Prankster
Pactum serva
Jones is a left wing commentator. Neill is a BBC journalist. If you can't see the difference, you've got a problem.
If he genuinely was on Rainbow, I would think so much more of him. A Bungled bit of Photoshop there.
dingodan
New member
- Feb 16, 2011
- 10,080
I have a problem.
This is an absurd comment he has written a series of well researched, cogent books, and videos about politics in the UK today where he discusses the views and politics of people with whom he disagrees, for excample "The Establishment", and "Chavs" . He of course comes to his own conclusions from a socialist perspective but to describe him as childlike and pseudo intellectual (whatever that means) is ridiculous.
Why is Andrew Neil awful?