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BensGrandad

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I didnt go to Luton as I wasnt well but gave my ticket to a friend an Ex pro of many games whose opinion I value but who is not a Brighton fan so is not prejudiced and speaking to him this morning he summed up our problems.

He said we will continually struggle because the spine of our team is weak.

The Centre Forward (McCammon) wins headers but they go nowhere so if we had Rooney or Owen playing alongside him they couldnt anticipate where the ball was going as he has no idea himself.

The central midfielder (Hammond) loses the ball too easily and too often by trying things that he is not good enough to do and if he could he would be pushing Lampard and Gerrard for an England spot. Should stick to playing simple balls and passes simply.


The central defenders (Butters and McShane) both individually competant but do not complement each other and havent worked out who will attack the ball and who will pick up the 2nd ball.

Goalkeeper is too muscular and top heavy thus making him slow to get down to balls. Arguably at fault for the first two goals but at the best could have done better with them.


His solution is we need to bring in a defensive coach like George Graham did with Don Howe just to teach the defenders how to defend.

He suggested people like Tony Adams Gary Mabbett Nigel Winterburn.

I thought about Steve Gatting his son playes for us and he could watch and analyse the defence and perhaps spend a session a week with the defence putting their mistakes right.


MM says that if we turned some of our draws into wins we would be in the top half of the table. If we hadnt conceeded the most goals in this division bar Crewe we would be to.
 
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enigma

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None of those coaches would come cheap, and in any case Winterburn works in the media I think and Adams wants to go into management.

Steve Gatting is the football coach at Christs Hospital, very different from coaching a championship side.
 


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Ex Pro of many games let me guess Pele, Don Masson , Peter Withe, Peter O'Sullivan or the guy everyone in Ladbrokes London Road is best mates with Gary Moore as in' Gary told me this or Gary told me that ' oh no sorry that's more the Gee Gee's isn't it.

So who is your superstar mate..........
 






rool

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enigma said:

Steve Gatting is the football coach at Christs Hospital, very different from coaching a championship side.

It's all hypothetical anyway but it doesn't mean he can't does it?. Unless he's tried elsewhere and failed, and i don't know if that is the case, otherwise it just means he hasn't been tried.

It might mean he just likes training boys who wear dresses.
 


BensGrandad

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enigma said:
None of those coaches would come cheap, and in any case Winterburn works in the media I think and Adams wants to go into management.

Steve Gatting is the football coach at Christs Hospital, very different from coaching a championship side.

That would make him an ideal candidate and the big thing is it doesn't matter at what level you coach it is knowledge that you are passing on. He certainly has that.

Mark McGhee (ex Striker)
Bob Booker (ex Striker)
Dean White (ex ????)
Dean Wilkins (Ex Midfield)
John Keeley (Goalkeeper)

No defenders.

Who the person I gave the ticket to is immaterial as he gave me what I considered to be an unbiased view.
 
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Kinky Gerbil

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He does have a point about coaching, then again mcghees an ex striker and cant coach the strikers, thats a lie - he can coach the skill out of them.
 


BensGrandad

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Bromley shrimp said:
Erm, Adams managed Wycombe when we beat them 4-0.

Doesnt mean that he was a bad defender or doesn't know about defending himself. I think that his record says otherwise.

I do not believe that it would cost an arm and a leg to have an old experienced defender analyse the defensive play and then transmit the knowledge to our defenders.

It doesnt have to be a household name but somebody who has played in that position for a long time at a good standard i.e Steve Foster Gary Stevens to name a couple.
 




Scotty Mac

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Da Man Clay

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BensGrandad said:
Doesnt mean that he was a bad defender or doesn't know about defending himself. I think that his record says otherwise.

I do not believe that it would cost an arm and a leg to have an old experienced defender analyse the defensive play and then transmit the knowledge to our defenders.

It doesnt have to be a household name but somebody who has played in that position for a long time at a good standard i.e Steve Foster Gary Stevens to name a couple.

But we have that in Butters/Dodd.

Dodd has played 15 odd years in the premiership with saint and been team captain he knows the game as good as Adams.
 


BensGrandad

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DAMANCLAY said:
But we have that in Butters/Dodd.

Dodd has played 15 odd years in the premiership with saint and been team captain he knows the game as good as Adams.

Granted but is MM using him and his knowledge to its full potential and would the players listen as he 'is one of us'
 




Scoffers

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We've already got a competant manager, I don't want anybody else. The squad has been decimated by injuries, and a number of players were not properly match fit. Fact. I don't believe that any other manager could do much more, without bringing in new faces.

Your "Ex Pro" watched one match, so what the f*** does he really know about the players, bugger all in my opinion.
 


Woodchip

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Wanderer said:
We've already got a competant manager, I don't want anybody else. The squad has been decimated by injuries, and a number of players were not properly match fit. Fact. I don't believe that any other manager could do much more, without bringing in new faces.

Your "Ex Pro" watched one match, so what the f*** does he really know about the players, bugger all in my opinion.

Maybe it takes someone that hasn't seen much to see where we are going wrong.

How many times does it take someone looking from the outside to highlight errors or bugs?!?
 


Bromley shrimp

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BensGrandad said:
Doesnt mean that he was a bad defender or doesn't know about defending himself. I think that his record says otherwise.

I do not believe that it would cost an arm and a leg to have an old experienced defender analyse the defensive play and then transmit the knowledge to our defenders.

It doesnt have to be a household name but somebody who has played in that position for a long time at a good standard i.e Steve Foster Gary Stevens to name a couple.

I posted in response to Enigma saying Adams wanted to get into management.

Good players often make poor coaches - Moore, Charlton Lawrenson. Adams post-player forray into management with Wycombe would tend to suggest that he falls into the same category as the aforementioned.
 


Scotty Mac

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Wanderer said:
Your "Ex Pro" watched one match, so what the f*** does he really know about the players, bugger all in my opinion.

an un-biased view on the reason we were so shit last night from someone who obviously knows a bit about the game - even if it is only on one match, it is still interesting to see it from that point of view
 




Kinky Gerbil

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Wanderer said:
We've already got a competant manager, I don't want anybody else. The squad has been decimated by injuries, and a number of players were not properly match fit. Fact. I don't believe that any other manager could do much more, without bringing in new faces.

Your "Ex Pro" watched one match, so what the f*** does he really know about the players, bugger all in my opinion.

I assume you are someone that considers mcghee to be doing a wonderful job?

like someone says out side eyes sometimes help.
 


BensGrandad

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Perhaps Dodds is the answer and that as he appears to be very injury prone at the moment the club keep him registered as a player as an emergency but move him towards coaching the defence. We are paying his wages either way.
 
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