Organ Donation

[Scotty Mac]

after the superb arguments that were generated last time that i asked nsc for their opinions on the death penalty, i am back with another debate that i will be partaking in tomorrow to gauge some more opinions

organ donation should always be opt in and not opt out - what do YOU think?

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Definitely should be an opt out system.

I can't really understand why people choose not to donate, it's only going to get eaten by worms anyway, when it can save people's lives instead. At the moment on my ward we have 4 people waiting for lung transplant and one of them looks like they're going to die waiting in the next couple of months or so.

 

[Starry]

my heart very much rules my head on this and i think it should be opt out. we waited for a liver that never came for our daughter. i think when someone dies their organs should be taken as standard, if you feel so strongly about not wanting it done, for whatever reason, then put your name on a list. the fact people are too lazy/not interested/think they won't die tomorrow and will register next week.... whatever excuse makes me sick.

i messed up my vote though and voted for 'opt in' by mistake.

 

[Cian]

Opt out, but I'm disbarred from donating mine here due to the involvement of the blood transfusion services board in it - as I'm not allowed give blood.

 

[Gully]

Opt out, I have carried a Donor card since I was a teenager, having made a conscious decision that in the untimely event of my death I would like to help others to live.

I would however want to be able to put a caveat on the use of my organs, I do not want them to go to someone who has been cavalier in their approach to the ones they were born with, that is to say someone who has contracted a disease through abuse of drink/drugs/tobacco...if I can help someone who has contracted an ilness through no fault of their own or has a genetically induced condition then it would give me the greatest pleasure that they continued to live after my demise.

 

[7:18]

Opt out, I have carried a Donor card since I was a teenager, having made a conscious decision that in the untimely event of my death I would like to help others to live.

I would however want to be able to put a caveat on the use of my organs, I do not want them to go to someone who has been cavalier in their approach to the ones they were born with, that is to say someone who has contracted a disease through abuse of drink/drugs/tobacco...if I can help someone who has contracted an ilness through no fault of their own or has a genetically induced condition then it would give me the greatest pleasure that they continued to live after my demise.

agree 100% and couldn't say it any better myself Gully

 

[Questions]

I offered to donate an organ to the lovely barmaid in my local..................

Tragically she rejected it.

 

[Mr C]

I found this. Predictable? Yes. Made me giggle like schoolgirl? Well, yes.

 

[1066familyman]

If anyone feels so strongly that organs should be 'donated' then carry a donor card and opt in - simple as.

I find it a massive breach of civil liberties to have to answer to the state in defensive of a GOD given right not to be treated like a piece of mechano. If your body belongs to the state as well then we might just as well all give up now.

 

[fatbadger]

The State should not get its filthy mitts on your body by presumption.

 

[dougdeep]

Opt out!

 

[El Presidente]

This is nothing to do with the 'state', it is all to do with saving the lives of people who may otherwise die.

I have a donor card, and am linked to a thalassemia(sp) sufferer. Every few months I give a double dose of red cells to someone who would otherwise due to their inability to produce red cells. I've never met him (or her) and have no desire to do so. I'm lucky that I'm healthy, other people are not so fortunate, so I feel I have a moral and civic duty to help those getting a rough deal through their genes. So far I've given about 220 pints, and if I die, then they can have the rest of me.

My old man was kept alive by people giving blood when he had stomach cancer, he had a rare blookd group and was difficult to match.

I watched at the age of 14 as the blood service called people on the phone, (no screening in those days) everyone they asked came in willingly, they saved his life, there can be no higher praise than that.

If you don't believe in organ donation, then opt out of the rest of what the NHS has to offer too, be it emergency treatment for you, your family, or just a check up, as it ALL relates to the 'state'.

 

[csider]

Alan Sugar has made no money.....

In the last 4 years. At the start of every new show the announcer has said -

'Sir Alan has a fortune of £800m'

EVERY time. Get off your arse and sell some more Amstrad Ally Boy!!!

 

[csider]

In the last 4 years. At the start of every new show the announcer has said -

'Sir Alan has a fortune of £800m'

EVERY time. Get off your arse and sell some more Amstrad Ally Boy!!!

SORRY - this should have been a new post - whoops!!!!!:thud:

 

[1066familyman]

This is nothing to do with the 'state', it is all to do with saving the lives of people who may otherwise die.

I have a donor card, and am linked to a thalassemia(sp) sufferer. Every few months I give a double dose of red cells to someone who would otherwise due to their inability to produce red cells. I've never met him (or her) and have no desire to do so. I'm lucky that I'm healthy, other people are not so fortunate, so I feel I have a moral and civic duty to help those getting a rough deal through their genes. So far I've given about 220 pints, and if I die, then they can have the rest of me.

My old man was kept alive by people giving blood when he had stomach cancer, he had a rare blookd group and was difficult to match.

I watched at the age of 14 as the blood service called people on the phone, (no screening in those days) everyone they asked came in willingly, they saved his life, there can be no higher praise than that.

If you don't believe in organ donation, then opt out of the rest of what the NHS has to offer too, be it emergency treatment for you, your family, or just a check up, as it ALL relates to the 'state'.

Fair play to you, hats off for doing your bit that doesn't compromise your beliefs. I wouldn't for a minuite wish to stop you doing your good deeds ( this ain't a piss take either, I genuinely respect your altruism )

I can't see though how not believing in organ transplants negates that persons' right to receive the multitude of services that our wonderful NHS has to offer. But I can see that to then accept an organ transplant, be it on the NHS or private, would make that person a hypocrite. Receiving services the state has to offer is a long long way from being treated like a resource for spare body parts unless you sign a piece of paper to object.

My point about the state is that if organ donations become 'opt out', then effectively you have take action to stop the state doing what they like with you when you die. That is very dangerous ground for people who can't be arsed to get the opt out card, haven't even given it a thought, or lack the mental capacity to make that decision for themselves. In fact, there's always a large majority in favour of carrying organ donor cards when asked, but most people "haven't got around to getting one" ( sadly ).

It has everything to do with the state because it will be the state passing any opt out laws.

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

no one would want my organ

its small, its silly and it smells

 

[El Presidente]

My point about the state is that if organ donations become 'opt out', then effectively you have take action to stop the state doing what they like with you when you die. That is very dangerous ground for people who can't be arsed to get the opt out card, haven't even given it a thought, or lack the mental capacity to make that decision for themselves. In fact, there's always a large majority in favour of carrying organ donor cards when asked, but most people "haven't got around to getting one" ( sadly ).

It has everything to do with the state because it will be the state passing any opt out laws.

Fair enough, and I can understand your caution at trusting the government. My view is that, ON BALANCE, I think that doctors will make the best decisions in respect of using organs. Will the rule be abused, yes, there are bad medics just as there are bad politicians, lawyers, footballers and NSC mods, but the good outweighs the bad.

There is a separate question, once you are dead, do your organs belong to you, or your family, or society at large? I honestly don't know, but I suspect they can do the most good by being donated to someone in need, even a Palace fan.

 

[Scotty Mac]

for what its worth, i think that everybody should be on the donor list, i am. but dont agree with making it opt out, as for something as big as given an organ when you die, you should be giving your permission for it to happen explicitly, as opposed to it being assumed that because you didnt opt out that you are willing to give them up

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

for what its worth, i think that everybody should be on the donor list, i am. but dont agree with making it opt out, as for something as big as given an organ when you die, you should be giving your permission for it to happen explicitly, as opposed to it being assumed that because you didnt opt out that you are willing to give them up

But surely that's taking into account that you go somewhere when you die?

After you die your body just beomes tissue surely? What's the point of it being put in a hole in the ground when it could have saved someone's life?

 

[1066familyman]

Fair enough, and I can understand your caution at trusting the government. My view is that, ON BALANCE, I think that doctors will make the best decisions in respect of using organs. Will the rule be abused, yes, there are bad medics just as there are bad politicians, lawyers, footballers and NSC mods, but the good outweighs the bad.

There is a separate question, once you are dead, do your organs belong to you, or your family, or society at large? I honestly don't know, but I suspect they can do the most good by being donated to someone in need, even a Palace fan.

ON BALANCE I totally agree with you, I believe doctors to be primarily motivated by altruism and I take my hat off to 'em ( though I'm uncomfortable with those who split their time between the NHS and private sector )

No, I don't trust any government as far as i can throw them.

Personally I'm not a fan of 'medical science'. I don't like the reductionist approach that treats living beings as mere objects to be tinkered with like machines so we can all have longer and longer life spans and enjoy ' better quality of life' ( whatever the f*** that is ! ) It all smacks of eugenics in the long run to me I'm afraid.

I believe your organs belong to you, along with the free will that GOD gave everyone. Do what you like with them. But I don't see why anyone should have to defend their beliefs to anyone if those beliefs ain't hurting anyone.

What do you make of using animal organs in humans ?
Didn't Gordon Brown back mixing animal & human stem cells for research recently ? FRIGHTENING !