Organ donation-Presumed consent debate.....

[Gully]

Snap with maffew, have carried a Donor card for about 25 years now, my only real worry is that in the untimely event of my death it isn't found in time for my organs to be of any use.

Despite being enthusiastic about the prospect of my organs helping others to live after my death I would still prefer that they went to those who had congenital illnesses or who had contracted disease through their own misfortune, rather than those who had taken a cavalier attitude towards the health of the organs they were born with. I prefer the choice of opting in, rather than a blanket presumed consent.

 

[coventrygull]

Surely the trade only exists because of the shortage of organs?

Thats true but if we say this govrenment did chose the opt out option. What would stop them trading with countries that had a shortage. China has a shortage and they take organs from executed prisoners

 

[coventrygull]

Snap with maffew, have carried a Donor card for about 25 years now, my only real worry is that in the untimely event of my death it isn't found in time for my organs to be of any use.

Despite being enthusiastic about the prospect of my organs helping others to live after my death I would still prefer that they went to those who had congenital illnesses or who had contracted disease through their own misfortune, rather than those who had taken a cavalier attitude towards the health of the organs they were born with. I prefer the choice of opting in, rather than a blanket presumed consent.

I think rather thab carrying a card a computer data base of donors would be a sensible option.

With the type of person you wish your organs went to. Thats another ethical issue. My cousin who was a bit of a rogue( thats being polite) was on the transplant list for a new liver.

 

[steward 433]

Thats true but if we say this govrenment did chose the opt out option. What would stop them trading with countries that had a shortage. China has a shortage and they take organs from executed prisoners

Would the government really illegally trade organs though?

I really can't see they would tbh, It would be all over the press within 24hrs

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Thats true but if we say this govrenment did chose the opt out option. What would stop them trading with countries that had a shortage. China has a shortage and they take organs from executed prisoners

Because that would be way more than illegal - breaks the Human Tissue Act (think it's about 1991!).

I'm completely 100% for the opt out system. I have about 3 donor cards through various organisations, and all my family know that if the worst were to happen, then I could help people after death - I certainly am not going to need it when i'm in the ground (i'm not being cremated!) If so many people don't get round to it then surely it's worth just getting the minority to opt out, and then it may get people to think about why they wouldn't want to donate organs.

It also takes the decision away from the families / people left behind - there's loads of evidence to say that organs are being left wasted because families say no, despite the deceased being on the register.

 

[coventrygull]

Would the government really illegally trade organs though?

I really can't see they would tbh, It would be all over the press within 24hrs

Who said they would need to trade them illegally. By opting in. You have given them the right to send those organs where they wish. I am on the Bone marrow donor list and if someone needs it. It could be anywhere

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Who said they would need to trade them illegally. By opting in. You have given them the right to send those organs where they wish.

Within the UK.

 

[steward 433]

Within the UK.

That's the point i was putting across badly thanks BAG.

 

[coventrygull]

Within the UK.

But as we are part of the European Union. That could all change. Also what is to stop people coming here if an organ was available

 

[steward 433]

But as we are part of the European Union. That could all change.

The time frame would count most of europe out anyway.

 

[Questions]

I dont want a froggy bastard having my internal organs. If he needed an arse transplant fair enough but HANDS OFF my vitals.

 

[Starry]

Your organs can already (and do) go anywhere in the European Union if the need arises and no one in the UK is a suitable recipiant. That agreement has been in place for a while.

Anastasia's marrow came from an English man registered and living in Italy.

 

[coventrygull]

I dont want a froggy bastard having my internal organs. If he needed an arse transplant fair enough but HANDS OFF my vitals.

So your arse is in perfect condition then

 

[steward 433]

Your organs can already (and do) go anywhere in the European Union if the need arises and no one in the UK is a suitable recipiant. That agreement has been in place for a while.

Anastasia's marrow came from an English man registered and living in Italy.

What is the crucial transplant time between bone marrow and say a heart Starry? Is this something you know?

 

[Questions]

So your arse is in perfect condition then

The arse would reject him coventry.

 

[Gully]

Thanks for the link Starry, in addition to carrying a card in my wallet I am now registered online.

 

[coventrygull]

It dosen't get any weirder than this Organ Selling Website but thats the yanks for you.

 

[Starry]

What is the crucial transplant time between bone marrow and say a heart Starry? Is this something you know?

I think the optimum time for a heart from removal to transplant is 4 hours. Bone marrow is different, it can be frozen for years.

 

[steward 433]

I think the optimum time for a heart from removal to transplant is 4 hours. Bone marrow is different, it can be frozen for years.

Top stuff, Thanks.

 

[1066familyman]

If so many people don't get round to it then surely it's worth just getting the minority to opt out, and then it may get people to think about why they wouldn't want to donate organs.

That is the worst possible argument for opt out, and the one that gets me most angry for it's sheer arrogance.

Why not lets get people thinking about why they want to donate instead, and then maybe they'll get their arses in gear and actually do something about it.

Why should anyone, whether they are in a minority or not, have to actively defend their basic human right not to have their own body treated like a list of spare parts when they die just because the 'moral majority' are too lazy register. That really is a pretty obscene argument to me I'm afraid.

No one should have to stand trial for the right to have their body left just as it is when they die. My decision not to support organ transplants is a personal/'religious' one and I don't have to justify it to anyone but my own conscience/GOD.

Lastly, I happen to work with people who are in no way shape or form able to make an informed decision regarding consent on this issue. What will happen to them in an opt out system ? Opt out would set a very dangerous precedence indeed IMO.

The state has quite enough power over our lives as it is - lets not give them the green light to plum the depths of our very being.