It is. It's about a minute a mile out. Guess it must be due in part to relative numbers of runners applying too (although looking at events these days, female participation is definitely increasing)
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It is. It's about a minute a mile out. Guess it must be due in part to relative numbers of runners applying too (although looking at events these days, female participation is definitely increasing)
Looking at Bright10's results (I just checked again though I was struck by this when I first went on the results site) there were 1208 runners of whom 631 (52%) were male. However I was 380th overall but 300th in my gender - in other words only 80 women finished in front of me. This was in a field of decent club runners with fewer "fun" type runners there than the first year it was run. My time extrapolates out to a 3:47 marathon on the Macmillan calculator (I will literally fall over if I get this however
) but that gives me a 13 min "window" for sub 4. Realistically my Brighton aim is still 3.59.00 and I reckon Bright10 has me exactly on course. I'm not sure how typical this race is but the expected % of women hitting this GFA based on Bright10 would be pretty low.
Still sucks though.
I have mixed feelings on this. A friend of mine did a 3:31 to get into Boston and she trained her arse off to achieve that. She had to come through a couple of injuries which hit her just before previous marathons, so it's been a long, hard slog to get her BQ. She still can't believe she's actually done it, as a runner it has been her only goal for over 2 years.
On the other hand, I have a friend who thinks the gap is way too big. She did a 3:15 to get into Boston and doesn't feel like she had to work any harder than I did to get my 3:06 (and miss out).
I guess the problem is there are more fast male marathon runners than fast female marathon runners, and they're trying to have a balanced field. I'm not too disappointed I missed out myself because my goal for my marathon was to get a fast time and I wasn't expecting to get a BQ. Now I'm training to try and get a BQ and ideally get a sub 3 time (my BQ is 3:05 now). I'll be gutted if I miss out this time, then I might have a different view on the difference between the times for men and women!
Thought I'd have a little look into this. The main problem is that Boston MA won't say what their objective is with the new qualifying times, if they have one at all. This has led to years of male dissent.
The following study from 2015 suggests male and female age grade percentages could be used for qualification as they have already been worked out based on male and female relative abilities linked to age and finish time at a competitive level.
Based on that I'm out. Based on previous rules I'm out. Based on a sex change for both I'm out.
https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-sports-analytics/jsa0003
The following study from 2015 suggests male and female age grade percentages could be used for qualification as they have already been worked out based on male and female relative abilities linked to age and finish time at a competitive level.
Based on that I'm out. Based on previous rules I'm out. Based on a sex change for both I'm out.
https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-sports-analytics/jsa0003
I got as far as "59 second grace period" and started crying. Does this mean I could technically claim up to 2013 that I'd done sub four if you used Boston qualifying methods instead of actual times?
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Anyone planning on doing the Toon parkrun next weekend ?
Ninja Elephant
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I've done it once before, I was 30th in 19:17! I wasn't hanging around but those boys are quick. I was talking to the Director afterwards and he didn't believe how many we had in Brighton and Hove, plus the surrounding area. He was surprised by the attendances at each of them but we're just that sort of city!
It's a strange course, loads of turns and changes of surface but not much elevation and very well marshalled.
Thanks, might give it a go
Sorry, a bit rubbish for the instigator to bail (again) but now have to pick up my son from play date and drop at football rather than parkrun. Grr 
Sorry, a bit rubbish for the instigator to bail (again) but now have to pick up my son from play date and drop at football rather than parkrun. Grr
A quick show of hands voted your DNS as the worst NSC running performance on record.
Manged to dip under 21 today with a 20:57. 75.26% AG a couple of weeks from the annual age upgrade. Best effort for 30 months at Hove Park even if the hill felt like a mountain. Now down to less than 5% improvement needed on a flat course with one turn and favourable conditions.......
A quick show of hands voted your DNS as the worst NSC running performance on record.
Manged to dip under 21 today with a 20:57. 75.26% AG a couple of weeks from the annual age upgrade. Best effort for 30 months at Hove Park even if the hill felt like a mountain. Now down to less than 5% improvement needed on a flat course with one turn and favourable conditions.......
Outstanding (from you that is, not @GB who is clearly a fail)
Ninja Elephant
Doctor Elephant
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Was it definitely the man himself? If so, it might go someway to answering the age old, "how fast can footballers run a 5k? question. He's not particularly noted for his speed but he is a seasoned professional. I'm amazed he hasn't rolled up at a football league club. Or Salford for the £££.
I ended up failing to make Lancing by a fairly large distance. I went to Preston Park instead and ended up meeting the genuine first woman home, although she didn't know what parkrun was and just happened to be in the park. She wasn't registered so it won't matter, but a strong parkrun debut for her - running 20:08. I managed a 19:45 which is ok given it's been a strong week of training. I did commit to running it again next week and pacing her for 20 so if anyone wants in on that, you're welcome!
A quick show of hands voted your DNS as the worst NSC running performance on record.
Manged to dip under 21 today with a 20:57. 75.26% AG a couple of weeks from the annual age upgrade. Best effort for 30 months at Hove Park even if the hill felt like a mountain. Now down to less than 5% improvement needed on a flat course with one turn and favourable conditions.......
A shameful performance. I am hanging me head right now. The only decent thing is the trade off was Mrs has kids tomorrow morning and I can do a proper old school long run. I'm thinking of 13 odd miles though the weather currently looks very iffy. I think I'll go back to my old parkrun MO of reading this thread and then just turning up if the family commitments allow.
I reckon a lot of current footballers would make decent athletes though I suspect most wouldn't do more than a 5k. I know Nathan Jones used to tweet his strava and had pretty decent pace and he was retired. He ran a bit further, probably because not playing any more. I think his standard recovery run was 7k. On the flip side I saw one of the coaches I know from local kids' football who was a decent local player struggling round parkrun in about 35 mins. Most of his kids beat him. All down to conditioning, size and practice just like us.
Seen Paul Rogers and the FDM out running several times around Burgess Hill, both look as fit as the proverbial butcher’s dogs still. They play football every week too. Stockdale used to post his runs on Strava for a while (possibly when he was ‘put on a programme’ perhaps [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]) when he was with us - he was well over 25 mins for 5k.
Hope the weather isn’t too iffy tonight........25 miles on the Ridgeway national trail will be a bit grim.
Sounds about right if on ‘current form’..........although would be a much higher % if they dedicated a period of training specifically to it.
Ninja Elephant
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My opinion remains that, of the current Brighton squad, I think that Davy Pröpper would be the quickest over 5k. Bong would be among the slowest I think, but there's no way every member of the squad would be sub 18 and I suspect that the majority would struggle for a sub 20.