Official Running Thread

[Badger]

I hope there aren't people hoping to use their time to get into Boston next year. If it's not an accredited race they won't accept it and there's no way they'd accept anything other than your official chip time. I'd be royally p***ed off if I missed out on a place by a minute because of this shambles.

 

[big nuts]

Congratulations to everyone who completed and supported the marathon on Sunday. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to run another 568 metres at the end of a marathon. I suppose not knowing helped!

It will be interesting to see if a retrospective licence is issued. I thought there were some fundamental obligations that came with a licence. Such as offering a £2 discount to all UKA affiliated runners, promoting Runbritain on the event website and, er, providing an accurately measured course.

The suggested method for adjusting times makes sense, but I would have thought they could do that for everyone. They have all the 40 to 42.2km split times.

The way I’m reading it, is they will adjust times once they’ve decided on the fairest formula, which is also consistent with other marathons where the distance has been mis-measured.

I think they are offering a relatively easy calculation to give you an early guide.

My time would come in at 3:13:46 which feels about right.

More importantly will the NSC table take an unlicensed and mis-measured course time?!

 

[knocky1]

The way I’m reading it, is they will adjust times once they’ve decided on the fairest formula, which is also consistent with other marathons where the distance has been mis-measured.

I think they are offering a relatively easy calculation to give you an early guide.

My time would come in at 3:13:46 which feels about right.

More importantly will the NSC table take an unlicensed and mis-measured course time?!

No.

 

[BBassic]

Congratulations to all of those who ran, great achievement all round.

This is my first post in this thread for (checks last post) 4 years which (checks) coincides roughly with the last time I tried running.

I'm looking for some advice from you seasoned runners. My girlfriend and I signed up for the 10k in April in order to get back to some sort of fitness. We kept meaning to start exercising but we both need something to work towards beyond a vague "we should get fit" idea.

We're both pretty unfit right now and we don't want to overdo it too early so any advice on training, including what (if any) upper body work we should be doing, would be brilliant.

Thanks in advance and congrats again

 

[knocky1]

Congratulations to all of those who ran, great achievement all round.

This is my first post in this thread for (checks last post) 4 years which (checks) coincides roughly with the last time I tried running.

I'm looking for some advice from you seasoned runners. My girlfriend and I signed up for the 10k in April in order to get back to some sort of fitness. We kept meaning to start exercising but we both need something to work towards beyond a vague "we should get fit" idea.

We're both pretty unfit right now and we don't want to overdo it too early so any advice on training, including what (if any) upper body work we should be doing, would be brilliant.

Thanks in advance and congrats again

Jog along at a Parkrun for a month or two. Bit of easy work in the week before them. Little efforts up to full speed here and there.
Sort your 10k plans out on here in January.

Good luck.

 

[BBassic]

Jog along at a Parkrun for a month or two. Bit of easy work in the week before them. Little efforts up to full speed here and there.
Sort your 10k plans out on here in January.

Good luck.

Cheers!

Yeah we're going to get down to the Worthing Parkrun, nice jaunt along the seafront

 

[soistes]

The suggested method for adjusting times makes sense, but I would have thought they could do that for everyone. They have all the 40 to 42.2km split times.

It makes sense, in that there's no other information to use, but it's not something that any other Marathon is going to accept for qualification I suspect.

Essentially they're suggesting using your pace over the last 2.2km as a basis for estimating your speed over the last 568km. While some people (including me, in this case) were pretty consistent in pace (slow, for me, because I was dying on my feet) at this point, others won't have been: some people will have broken down only in the last half km, while others may have gone for a sprint finish, and you can't get a robust estimate of that from the 2.2km pace.

So while it's an interesting thought experiment for people to guesstimate what their "actual marathon time" might have been (assuming their watch doesn't tell them that more accurately), it surely can't the basis for any official time comparisons? And the mail from BM kind of admits that, saying it's up to other race organisers whether they'll accept this (knowing that they almost certainly won't).

 

[big nuts]

It makes sense, in that there's no other information to use, but it's not something that any other Marathon is going to accept for qualification I suspect.

Essentially they're suggesting using your pace over the last 2.2km as a basis for estimating your speed over the last 568km. While some people (including me, in this case) were pretty consistent in pace (slow, for me, because I was dying on my feet) at this point, others won't have been: some people will have broken down only in the last half km, while others may have gone for a sprint finish, and you can't get a robust estimate of that from the 2.2km pace.

So while it's an interesting thought experiment for people to guesstimate what their "actual marathon time" might have been (assuming their watch doesn't tell them that more accurately), it surely can't the basis for any official time comparisons? And the mail from BM kind of admits that, saying it's up to other race organisers whether they'll accept this (knowing that they almost certainly won't).

I initially worked mine out to be as follows:-

42,195 (marathon in metres)+ 568 = 42,763 metres (the long course)

Using pace calculator worked out that my time (3:16:37) averages 7:24 per mile or 4:36 per kilometre over the long course.

Then using that average pace back over 42,195 (marathon) it works out to be 3:14:01 based on 7:24 per mile and 3:13:57 on average Kilometre.

Using the BM calculation is more generous as you subtract from the slowest segment - new time 3:13:46

Not a huge amount of difference but enough for some.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I hope there aren't people hoping to use their time to get into Boston next year. If it's not an accredited race they won't accept it and there's no way they'd accept anything other than your official chip time. I'd be royally p***ed off if I missed out on a place by a minute because of this shambles.

This will hold for a other marathons as well. Whilst I can understand a **** up regarding the distance, most likely a helper screwing up, the failure to register the race with UKA I don’t understand. Why would the organizers overlook this?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Two 10k events coming up in the next few weeks (and as of yesterday there are still some places going in the fast, flat Worthing 10k on 10th October), so thought I'd better see how my form is on this long* distance. 46.04 in perfect conditions was a decent effort.


*snorts of derision heard from Brighton (ultra) marathon runners.

 

[Bozza]

Last year was my record year of mileage with 2,252.

Although that's not really saying much since I've really not run very much due to being some or all of fat, lazy or injured for many years. Anyway, I eclipsed that total a couple of days ago, so 2021 is now my record mileage year with a few months to spare.

I'm also on 99,783 feet of hills for the year, so I'll be making sure I cover at least 217 feet today.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Well done to the Brighton Marathon crew, but I'm sorry it turned into such a shambles for you. Even the re-calculation seems a bit weird. I mean, I get it, but it should never have had to be a thing in the first place!

I'm taking to the trails for my next race – Beachy Head. Just the small matter of a 100-mile cycle around the Welsh hills in a couple of weeks to contend with first

Thankfully, my fitness seems to be returning after the post-covid blip. I went up Mill Hill to SDW and back this morning and it felt the most comfortable it has for ages. Weekly mileage still down on what it was, but that's more down to life and work getting in the way.

 

[knocky1]

Two 10k events coming up in the next few weeks (and as of yesterday there are still some places going in the fast, flat Worthing 10k on 10th October), so thought I'd better see how my form is on this long* distance. 46.04 in perfect conditions was a decent effort.


*snorts of derision heard from Brighton (ultra) marathon runners.

I forgot Worthing 10k now with it’s 4th rearranged date. Think I’ll still be away.

Ran 3X568 metres today at an average 6:24 mile pace. Used a new improved BM formula and multiplied the average interval time by 78.6. (3x26.2) to give an official marathon time of 2:47:40.

 

[Bozza]

I forgot Worthing 10k now with it’s 4th rearranged date. Think I’ll still be away.

Ran 3X568 metres today at an average 6:24 mile pace. Used a new improved BM formula and multiplied the average interval time by 78.6. (3x26.2) to give an official marathon time of 2:47:40.

Sounds like a Ross Barkley marathon.

 

[Simgull]

I forgot Worthing 10k now with it’s 4th rearranged date. Think I’ll still be away.

Ran 3X568 metres today at an average 6:24 mile pace. Used a new improved BM formula and multiplied the average interval time by 78.6. (3x26.2) to give an official marathon time of 2:47:40.

Seems reasonable. If you buy yourself some crayons and some paper maybe you could make a UKA licence to get full accreditation

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I forgot Worthing 10k now with it’s 4th rearranged date. Think I’ll still be away.

Ran 3X568 metres today at an average 6:24 mile pace. Used a new improved BM formula and multiplied the average interval time by 78.6. (3x26.2) to give an official marathon time of 2:47:40.

Poor effort and still some way short of the world record at around 92% AG. Could do better!

 

[Curious Orange]

Last year was my record year of mileage with 2,252.

Although that's not really saying much since I've really not run very much due to being some or all of fat, lazy or injured for many years. Anyway, I eclipsed that total a couple of days ago, so 2021 is now my record mileage year with a few months to spare.

I'm also on 99,783 feet of hills for the year, so I'll be making sure I cover at least 217 feet today.

Are you still going with your streak [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION]? How many days is/was it?

 

[knocky1]

Found the most Westerly Parkrun course in Europe today at Erris Park near Belmullet. A run in the middle of nowhere that is point to point. So nearly one lap of a Lough but the finish is 400m away from the start. This Saturday I’ll be joining the 24 runners for their return after 79 weeks away due to Covid. Should have started last week but Mayo were in the All Irish football final so they were all in Dublin. https://www.parkrun.ie/erris/news/

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Found the most Westerly Parkrun course in Europe today at Erris Park near Belmullet. A run in the middle of nowhere that is point to point. So nearly one lap of a Lough but the finish is 400m away from the start. This Saturday I’ll be joining the 24 runners for their return after 79 weeks away due to Covid. Should have started last week but Mayo were in the All Irish football final so they were all in Dublin. https://www.parkrun.ie/erris/news/
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Craggy Island?

 

[knocky1]

Craggy Island?

Just hope Father Jack doesn’t win my age group.