Garry Nelson's teacher
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Bloody hell if you could do that on a real bike then you'd be in Wiggo territory...............!
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Bloody hell if you could do that on a real bike then you'd be in Wiggo territory...............!
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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Negative splits ruined by deciding to tackle a hill at the end of the run 
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It's not as it seems. Palace boy started up with the Kenyans. I beat him by 13 seconds chip time. SEAGULLS!
It's not as it seems. Palace boy started up with the Kenyans. I beat him by 13 seconds chip time. SEAGULLS!
Mondays long run cancelled as glutes and hamstrings still feeling tight from my 10 minute charity spin Friday. Went out for a shorter run tonight to test myself out. Could feel it, but not too bad. 7.15 miles in 49 minutes so hoping for a long run Sunday instead. Will run to a time limit (2 hours 15) rather than chase down a distance.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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So, I mistakenly did my 20 mile run a week early to start taper before the marathon. I can't count, so it this reasonable from now on
Week 1 - 34 miles total (16 m long run)
Week 2 - 28 miles total (12 m long run)
Week 3 - 20 miles (no long run)
Marathon Week - 4 miles + 26
Week 1 - 34 miles total (16 m long run)
Week 2 - 28 miles total (12 m long run)
Week 3 - 20 miles (no long run)
Marathon Week - 4 miles + 26
Know who you are know.
If you have the time I would do an easy 18-20 this weekend.
Then 16m,
10-12m week before
followed by marathon week.
This week is a good week for getting in mileage with 3 weeks taper from Sunday. I'm planning 50m this week but a bit late getting going after Hastings.
You have to consider whetheryou have recovered from your 20 miles on Sunday, of course.
Any tips on Achilles problems?
It was feeling a little tender, I then did some 800m sprints last night and could not stand on it this morning.
Have dosed up with Ibroproven and tried (and failed) to do some calf raises. WIlmslow half in ten days and Manchester the following week, so the timing is a big meh.
It was feeling a little tender, I then did some 800m sprints last night and could not stand on it this morning.
Have dosed up with Ibroproven and tried (and failed) to do some calf raises. WIlmslow half in ten days and Manchester the following week, so the timing is a big meh.
I'm just back from seeing the good man Jesus for sore Achilles. Thought I'd get in there early as he has a very busy weekend. Heel was sore at Parkrun and needed lots of stretching before Sunday's run. Needed ice afterwards. Calves have now been painfully massaged and fortunately, or unfortunately, he said I can run immediately. The cause, in my case, was 2 weeks with lesser mileage at a faster pace and more toeing off from big toe.
Yours could be the same or not. I'd get it looked at and use ice whilst waiting.
Changed my mind overnight. Two Long Runs in 8 days could be detrimental. I'd run Sunday with at least half slow whatever your distance.
Yesterday was the first time I felt that I've got the running bug again, despite being back at it for a few weeks.
I went out for an entirely unremarkable (and slow) 5 miler, but it was about an hour after I'd finished that I knew I was hooked again, as I got the "I want to go out and run some more" feeling that I used to get last year. I probably would have popped out for a few more miles if it wasn't for other things I needed to do.
I should make 20 miles this week - I'm building it up quite slowly, although that's predominantly because I'm finding it bloody hard!
It's good to be back.
I went out for an entirely unremarkable (and slow) 5 miler, but it was about an hour after I'd finished that I knew I was hooked again, as I got the "I want to go out and run some more" feeling that I used to get last year. I probably would have popped out for a few more miles if it wasn't for other things I needed to do.
I should make 20 miles this week - I'm building it up quite slowly, although that's predominantly because I'm finding it bloody hard!
It's good to be back.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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Thanks for the input, I'll take in a slow 18 miles around the Marathon route. My legs are feeling OK. I have cut back the number of miles generally this week.
A genuine dilemma that proves I'm still a newbie.
On Tuesday, right at the end of my 5.5 mile run the tread at the back of my left Brooks GTS (118 miles according to Strava) started to flap, exactly like the pair I previously had to have replaced as did [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] . I don't feel comfortable emailing them again as I now suspect this is down to technique. I superglued it back down and it had stuck firm this morning so I wore them for an 11 miler. At the exact same point - the last mile home running easy pace but tired so liable to drag my foot in an odd stride - it went again. Pics below.
It feels odd when it goes and, in a fit of recently paid pique I went out to Swaetshop, got gait analysed again and bought a pair of Saucony. Here's my issue:
No more runs now till Sunday when I need to do 19 miles. Should I be using the box fresh trainers with 0 miles on them and risk blisters or should I glue the tread back on the Brooks (or cut the flapping bit off) and use them? If it goes mid run it will annoy the shit out of me. If I cut it off and the balance and support changes I could risk injury on the long run anyway. What would you do?
On Tuesday, right at the end of my 5.5 mile run the tread at the back of my left Brooks GTS (118 miles according to Strava) started to flap, exactly like the pair I previously had to have replaced as did [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] . I don't feel comfortable emailing them again as I now suspect this is down to technique. I superglued it back down and it had stuck firm this morning so I wore them for an 11 miler. At the exact same point - the last mile home running easy pace but tired so liable to drag my foot in an odd stride - it went again. Pics below.
It feels odd when it goes and, in a fit of recently paid pique I went out to Swaetshop, got gait analysed again and bought a pair of Saucony. Here's my issue:
No more runs now till Sunday when I need to do 19 miles. Should I be using the box fresh trainers with 0 miles on them and risk blisters or should I glue the tread back on the Brooks (or cut the flapping bit off) and use them? If it goes mid run it will annoy the shit out of me. If I cut it off and the balance and support changes I could risk injury on the long run anyway. What would you do?
StonehamPark
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If it was me, get rid of the brooks.
Tape your feet and ankles up properly on Sunday.
Minimal risk of blisters in brand new trainers (with taping) Vs Trainers that may fall apart any second.
I can't see the Brooks holding up.
They are in a hell of a state. My GTS must be similar mileage and fine. Mine are 14. What are yours?
That is a dilemma @Guiness Boy. The GTS are clearly buggered. Blisters from wearing new Saucony for a 19 mile run is not a problem. It is something you can man up to. What would worry me is the change in running style/gait from the new shoes. A small change in foot strike over 19 miles could easily lead to tendon or muscle stress. New GTS would not give this problem as would give the same fit/gait.
Has to be your gut reaction I reckon. Is changing shoes halfway possible?
That is a dilemma @Guiness Boy. The GTS are clearly buggered. Blisters from wearing new Saucony for a 19 mile run is not a problem. It is something you can man up to. What would worry me is the change in running style/gait from the new shoes. A small change in foot strike over 19 miles could easily lead to tendon or muscle stress. New GTS would not give this problem as would give the same fit/gait.
Has to be your gut reaction I reckon. Is changing shoes halfway possible?
Blimey. Mine never came away completely like that, they just wore down heavily, particularly on the outside of the heel on my left foot (same spot as yours it seems). Funnily enough, Strava has only just warned me that my replacement GTS 15s have gone through 300 miles, about the same point my last ones wore through the bottom layer of sole material. My current ones are wearing better, but I suspect there is only another 50-100 miles in them.
It was when I got these new ones that I went out to run half-marathon distance and it was probably my best ever run. Unfortunately, as I reported somewhere way back on this thread, they hurt my feet and by about 8-9 miles I was in a fair bit of pain. I was making such good pace, for me, that I persevered but, in the end, I took them off and ran the final mile and a bit in just my socks. I only did this because I knew that I was going to get my best HM time despite the problems I had!
I'm pretty sure it was a combination of me running in pain and then the bare-footed stretch that injured me and it very probably wasn't regular plantir fasciitis.
I'll certainly be very careful to break new shoes in with shorter runs in future, even if they are exactly the same model as above.
19 miles is a fair way to try and go if something isn't right either with the old or the new. You also have the risk of stuffing up your feet at a time when you want them in good nick for the big race to come. I'm not sure I can offer any advice, but the Brooks after only 118 miles shouldn't be in a bad state overall, although your pictures suggest they are.
Pembury
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Chuck the Brooks.. have to say never seen that before, mine only get really worn at the side, near the back.
Anyhow, can you wear your Saucony's around the house from now until Sunday... Sunday,Tape or Vaseline your feet (I personally prefer vaselining rather than taping) then go for your long run.. you can always bail if things don't feel right.
Odd. Never had the slightest issue with GTS over 15 years - must be some form of foot-dragging going on.
As for the dilemma, be careful. I agree with Knocky1 - it's not so much the blisters (easily avoided with a good pair of socks - don't bother taping etc), it's the potential for injury due to even tiny gait changes. I am currently on the crocks bench, massively screwing up all my plans, having torn a soleus 10 days ago on a gentle plod - in new shoes Same model as I was using previously too). May not be 100% the cause of course but I don't think it's unconnected. I have done a marathon in brand new shoes before though (GTS ironically)
Why don't you get out for a couple of 30 min very easy jogs in them first ? Won't have any impact on your long run (no lasting fatigue from that kind of distance) and will break the shoes in.
Cheers guys. I have the Thorleos blister proof socks which have been really good at protecting blisters up to now. I also got the new shoes from Sweatshop because they do the gait analysis and the new ones were almost identical to me running in a pair of Brooks (won't be touching them again). Sounds like the best option is a couple of short jogs to break them in for 5 or 6 miles so I'll fit that in to my Easter schedule. There was an optional 30 mins for tomorrow in the plan anyway - it's just that having done 11 today I was going to take the rest option rather than the run option. Sounds like my best bet for injury prevention is actually to have a couple of light jogs.
Pickledegg
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- Jul 13, 2012
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Up until about 7 months ago I suffered big time with calf and achilles problems so much so I tore my left calf that put me out for months and my achilles were tender to the touch after every run!
I almost resigned myself that my running days were over and then I went to Studio 57 in Hove and learnt how to warm up properly and the benefits of the foam roller!
The warm up involved a lunge matrix and lots of foam rolling! Throw in some simple calf raises and I'm back running again! But for me the roller is key! I now mainly use a massage stick as it is easy to use anywhere!
I appreciate that none of this is new but it was the lack of a proper warm up that was ruining my running!