[Football] odds on the season being played out in full...??

[Weststander]

And that's the big one.

Should the PL manage to complete all fixtures but the Championship not, then there's going to be a HUGE can of worms opened.

Relegation / promotion when a season hasn't been completed will end up in court. Likewise, the COE will kick off if they don't get promoted should they finish top two with a few games not played.

It will get very messy that's for sure.

I still can't see how logically you can relegate / promote any team that hasn't completed all it's fixtures. Legally, I have no idea.........

Regarding the PL relegation aspect, I wonder if all PL clubs signed an agreement recently that relegation will happen come what may? I've heard no recent complaints from Villa, Watford or Norwich on the what ifs and maybes.

 

[darkwolf666]

I heard some stats on this a couple of days ago (the league have looked at data from prior matches to understand the risk). Essentially there is no chance of it being an issue - may not have the number quite right from memory but the typical time someone spends within 2m of another player during a match 'contact' is something like 2.5 seconds. The 15 minute rule won't come remotely close to being triggered, hence only the player testing positive will need to isolate within the rules the PL have agreed with the Government. Add to that the way players will be managing the risk of infection themselves, plus the very regular testing etc I'd say the chances of the programme being derailed ow are quite slim - it would be more external factors (such as a significant second wave perhaps - which shows no sign of happening at all)

Really though the 15 minute thing is a load of bollocks when it comes to contact sports.

That 15 minute "guidance" was designed for day to day meeting of people, i.e. a cashier in a supermarket, not the jostling and hustle and bustle that goes on in the penalty area at every game, and other close contact when tackling, etc.

The 15 minute rule is being used very conveniently here, as it is quite clear no player spends that much time next to someone in a 90 minute game of football, even if they are man marking.

Just drop the nonsense of 15 minutes and say it's going to happen and finish whatever... And accept it!

 

[Bozza]

One of the journalists in today's press conference with Graham Potter mentioned that season curtailment was still being discussed, so is it important to remain out of the bottom three as well as aiming to be there at the end of the season.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

One of the journalists in today's press conference with Graham Potter mentioned that season curtailment was still being discussed, so is it important to remain out of the bottom three as well as aiming to be there at the end of the season.

I think the Prem agreed a process for curtailment in their meeting the other day- wasn't it agreed to be decided by one of those points calculations if in the case of curtailment?

Can't see it happening. Germany and Spain and all the other countries back in play are running smoothly. Just Italy with that (OTT) requirement to isolate the whole squad for 14 days if one player tests positive.

 

[dazzer6666]

Really though the 15 minute thing is a load of bollocks when it comes to contact sports.

That 15 minute "guidance" was designed for day to day meeting of people, i.e. a cashier in a supermarket, not the jostling and hustle and bustle that goes on in the penalty area at every game, and other close contact when tackling, etc.

The 15 minute rule is being used very conveniently here, as it is quite clear no player spends that much time next to someone in a 90 minute game of football, even if they are man marking.

Just drop the nonsense of 15 minutes and say it's going to happen and finish whatever... And accept it!

Not sure it makes any difference in the context of spreading droplets - just as likely to do so by being in a scrum to get into NikeTown when the shops opened on Monday (for example). Football could have a 5 minute rule and still be fine anyway based on the data analysed from every PL game played last season. This is a risk-management consideration - everyone knows there's no guarantee of no transmission, but it's been reduced to a tiny risk.

 

[darkwolf666]

Not sure it makes any difference in the context of spreading droplets - just as likely to do so by being in a scrum to get into NikeTown when the shops opened on Monday (for example). Football could have a 5 minute rule and still be fine anyway based on the data analysed from every PL game played last season. This is a risk-management consideration - everyone knows there's no guarantee of no transmission, but it's been reduced to a tiny risk.

Yep, understand that, so stop using the 15 minute guidance as a green light for football.

The simple fact is it has been decided that the Premier League will finish, whatever the consequences.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Well, it will only take one for that team to have to postpone two weeks worth of games (up to 4 fixtures). This will in-turn cause disruption to the rest of the fixtures as the final games will need to be played at the same time.

We've already had a Norwich player get a positive result straight after he'd been involved against Spurs in a warm up game (it appears as though the test was taken either the day before or the day of the game). None of the other players who took part in the game had to isolate so it doesn't look like it's going to a factor.

The player has since tested negative, but will have to have a second negative result before he can resume training and play.

 

[Giraffe]

It will finish because of the money. Once it got to the point where P/L players are treated differently to the rest of us and were not part of the track and trace system then they can suffer the odd case of a positive test without any real problem.

 

[Pierre the Painter]

Yep, understand that, so stop using the 15 minute guidance as a green light for football.

The simple fact is it has been decided that the Premier League will finish, whatever the consequences.

On what basis is this simple 'fact'? Especially given they have had discussions ongoing about what to do if the season is curtailed? Or does the simple fact just suit your agenda?

 

[dazzer6666]

Yep, understand that, so stop using the 15 minute guidance as a green light for football.

The simple fact is it has been decided that the Premier League will finish, whatever the consequences.

Not really simple though - there are a whole series of exceptional measures and protocols to try to make sure any risks are mitigated to such an extent as to be miniscule.

 

[Hampster Gull]

They’ve started so they’ll finish

 

[darkwolf666]

On what basis is this simple 'fact'? Especially given they have had discussions ongoing about what to do if the season is curtailed? Or does the simple fact just suit your agenda?

Oh come on, face "facts" the money has spoken here, or we would be in the same situation as League One & Two, Scotland, etc.

 

[darkwolf666]

Not really simple though - there are a whole series of exceptional measures and protocols to try to make sure any risks are mitigated to such an extent as to be miniscule.

I am sure the risks have been well evaluated, just sticks in my craw that the Premier League seems hell bent on finishing the season whatever it takes...

 

[Bozza]

Not sure - only repeating what (I think) I heard (I'll try to find a link) - need to think about it as an average though, not set-pieces in isolation. Wouldn't always be the same players in close proximity at a set piece either.

Edit - not quite what I heard - but average 39 seconds (one player within 2m of another) PER GAME according to studies

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ague-analysis-close-contact-matches-suggests/

As I say, 2.5 seconds is clearly nonsense given the close proximity at corners, particularly given players often have specific marking assignments.

The 39 seconds average is interesting, and I suspect the arithmetic mean, with some players with relatively high times of contact offsetting others with very little close contact.

Regardless, I still think the bigger risk is a player becoming infected outside of the football bubble and then passing it on to some teammates.

(But I'm not suggesting curtailment is likely)

 

[NooBHA]

aren't they supposed to be driving individually to the games .........they are putting them all on coaches now......? it's screwed already then innit.

ffs....couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery .

I think when some clubs travel by plane now they use 2 flights otherwise they are not Fully Insured - So they will possibly use 2 coaches to observe social distancing if necessary

 

[Easy 10]

Didn't the Stoke manager test positive a few days ago? Everyone just shrugged their shoulders and carried on while he isolated at home.

No, incorrect. MIchael O'Neill tested positive the night before a practice game at Man Utd's training ground. The game was binned, Stoke went home, and Utd instead played out a match against their academy side.

The question will be, what will happen if a PL manager tests positive on the eve of a game ? Or a player/staff member ? Does the game get binned as it did when Arteta tested positive ? Someone will have to be making some big decisions.

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

No, incorrect. MIchael O'Neill tested positive the night before a practice game at Man Utd's training ground. The game was binned, Stoke went home, and Utd instead played out a match against their academy side.

The question will be, what will happen if a PL manager tests positive on the eve of a game ? Or a player/staff member ? Does the game get binned as it did when Arteta tested positive ? Someone will have to be making some big decisions.

Which bit's incorrect? I probably didn't explain my point very well to be fair... I meant that Stoke were put at a clear disadvantage to the rest of the League as their manager was unable to work with the squad for 7 days (or 14?) while all the others teams carried on with their preparation.

 

[Bozza]

As I say, 2.5 seconds is clearly nonsense given the close proximity at corners, particularly given players often have specific marking assignments.

The 39 seconds average is interesting, and I suspect the arithmetic mean, with some players with relatively high times of contact offsetting others with very little close contact.

Regardless, I still think the bigger risk is a player becoming infected outside of the football bubble and then passing it on to some teammates.

(But I'm not suggesting curtailment is likely)

All of Villa's players are over 39 seconds already in their pre-match huddle!

 

[Baker lite]

How many players from one squad would have to go down to cancel

This is an excellent question, under test, track and trace if I was to contract Covid myself and everyone I had been in contact with would have to isolate for 14 days...
would have thought that would be the whole 25 man squad and coaching staff as well as the the team that they had just played?..

 

[sparkie]

I think the Prem agreed a process for curtailment in their meeting the other day- wasn't it agreed to be decided by one of those points calculations if in the case of curtailment?

Can't see it happening. Germany and Spain and all the other countries back in play are running smoothly. Just Italy with that (OTT) requirement to isolate the whole squad for 14 days if one player tests positive.

No.

They agreed that the decision was being deferred. They are gambling that they won't even need to make a decision.