No no, go after those if you wish but dont tell me that a non productive lazy feckless woman is somehow better for the country than a multi national company that is legitimately avoiding paying too much tax.
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No no, go after those if you wish but dont tell me that a non productive lazy feckless woman is somehow better for the country than a multi national company that is legitimately avoiding paying too much tax.
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Agree hard working, but we don't need more of them. We need to focus on getting our own people back in to work first. It is a completely pointless exercise to keep bringing people in when we have so many problems.
The EU system is in place so that we can leave the UK and work in the EU, however it has failed as more people arrive in the UK than leave. If I saw millions of Brits leaving to go and work in Eastern Europe then I would call it a success, but I don't.
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Uncle Spielberg
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A few.
Dorset Seagull
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The companies that avoid corporation tax actually provide high levels of employed people who then contribute to the tax pot and don't drain society by being on benefits. If we were to close this loophole they may well go elsewhere meaning we would have greater levels of unemployment and more people on benefits.
Not saying its right but there are 2 sides to every argument
Return of the Rev
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And an amusing accent to boot
keaton
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- Nov 18, 2004
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So why isn't Wayne Rooney typical of this country?
I think you make a valid point. It does not make sense to generalise in this way. I think it is just meant as a counter balance to "they all come over here claiming benefits".
The more relevant point is that people who are prepared to uproot and move a long way from home are generally motivated to succeed and this is just as true of British ex pats. The do nothing and moan brigade stay at home along with a lot of good hard working folk, who just get on with it.
Return of the Rev
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dougdeep
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Just wait until the millions of Rumanians start coming over, it must be true because I read it the Daily Mail.
Just for a little perspective. There are hundreds not thousands of these feckless wasters in this country and I don't like them anymore than the next person. However if she were a persistent shop lifter or a small time drug dealer, everyone would shrug their shoulders and move on. Prison costs 39k per annum, so one criminal is more expensive to keep than a family of 8.
There are lots of discussion points on migrant workers including displacement of jobs, our own benefit system, pressure on services, the Euro, the Eu and on it goes. but it has its undoubted consequences.
But ultimately I suspect the Poles daily rate when converted into what their Zloty ( are they still Zloty ? ) might buy back home is a big enough incentive to work hard and offer a more competitive rate of pay to those employers.
If they have plans to return home, they are in fact being rewarded considerably more compared with their English counterparts, with their English counterparts also having the option of an over generous and bloated benefit system.
Quite. If blue chip companies are allowed to say "**** you" to the UK I do wonder why should the rest of us should bother.
You havent really offered much of a preferred choice there Cheesy have you, to somehow reassure us that we also have prisoners costing 39k.
Unfortunately those petty criminals probably were spawned from similar feckless households that the OP originally highlighted.
More a 'lose lose' than a 'win win' ... !!!
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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for me its not the monetary cost, but the fact that her plight is given a sympathetic airing, and i think thats the point here. as far as money is concerned, previous generations would have had 5, 6, 7 kids with out state aid on alot less income. she can live on £32k, she just wants to live a high quality of life. tough, she's made decisions, she has to live with them.
HalifaxSeagull
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Work 55-60hrs a week - wish it was only 40hrs!
Odd mentality.
I am no lacky of big business, but how can you somehow excuse such shameless non productivity whilst others pay for her own lifestyle choices.
Have you ever thought that Tony Bloom who has lost £8m last year and invested £200m into our club with various business interest throughout the world might also fall into the category of your 'blue chip company' example.
Bloom would transfer, invest, lose, create, employ, succeed and fail whilst leading his various business interests.
I would suspect, expect, be grateful if he too paid only the minimum legal requirement of any his profits and I bet so do you !!!
Bloom or other big business is not the reason we have the feckless.
spring hall convert
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I didn't say it was better, I said it costs us less money. They don't neccessarily mean the same thing, though many think they do.
Common as Mook
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- Jul 26, 2004
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This.
The reason we see this famous work ethic is because the one's that come over here are the ones that want to get off their arse and work. The lazy work shy ones are left at home.