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North stand standing what a joke
- Thread starter dave hylands
- Start date
attila
1997 Club
A law based on criminal negligence, calumnies on Liverpool fans, lies, slander and corruption. If someone was fitted up by the police and sentenced to prison, the stitch up was then revealed and he was released, apologised to and awarded compensation, no one would say he should still be in jail. The law needs to be changed very soon as the simple application of natural justice, and it does seem that most of Britain's law makers, however clueless they may be in other areas, recognise this
TheFatBallBoy
New member
people die on the roads every day, ban cars
agreed
I hear what you are saying but in all honesty, do you believe that 96 fans would have died had they all had allocated seating irrespective of the decisions made by the Police leading up to the tragedy? Terracing pre the Taylor report was inherently unsafe due to lack of investment and the attitude of clubs towards safety of fans, probably as a result of there being no recognized alternative, as there is with the safe standing systems, and also because of the behaviour of a minority of fans at all clubs during that period. I'm not against safe standing but there must be an economical reason for it which, with regard to the Amex, doesn't yet apply as we have only just built the place, a point which I think you, probably reluctantly, accept but that a vociferous few don't appreciate.
keaton
Big heart, hot blood and balls. Big balls
- Nov 18, 2004
- 9,975
Was it purely based on Hillsborough?
I understand their rules did go too far in some ways but they did help sort out the massive problems football had at that time
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
The Leppings Lane Stand at Hillsborough is now all seater but I wouldn't like to be in there if there was an emergency evacuation with those extremely narrow passages to get in and out.
If you want the law changed, regarding standing at football grounds, in the top 2 divisions, then sign this:
Safe Standing in the Premiership and Championship that follows the German Model - e-petitions
Safe Standing in the Premiership and Championship that follows the German Model - e-petitions
As others have said I'd like to see his reply BUT you would also need to post your original email given the aggressive drivel you've posted on here before. His reply needs to be seen in context to your, probably aggressive, email.
Absolute rubbish. I've worked directly with him and he was always willing to listen and discuss situations with both fans and other club employees. He even left the decision regards ejecting four fans to me because I was there at the time of the incident.
This. The north stand seems to be the new H Block. Full of spotty oiks just out to bait stewards because they can't stand. Hardly a mature and constructive way to bring about safe standing that many of us would like to see.
And for those that complain about the away fans not being ejected for standing. The only real punishment the club have to deal with standing away fans is to eject them - banning them would mean nothing. BUT it's considered easier to control away fans when they're all in one place. Kicking them out and having them mill around outside then produces other possibly more difficult issues.
Well said, its all about protesting in a constructive way that does not mean people losing their ST and does not have an effect on the field.
stewardxxx
Active member
I was on West Upper so with the height and steepness there was a concern with people standing but in the very back row (where there was a platform type thing) we were advised to use discretion provided it didn't lead to persistent standing throughout the stand.
As I have said, the north was marketed to fans and stewards alike as a rowdy one where standing would be tolerated at the back - to go back on this is a disgrace.
There was a real sense of tension and it reminded me of the last season at Withdean where they had stewards staring at the south stand...
Working class pride
Banned
- Feb 14, 2010
- 4,932
Is anyone else uncomfortable with people using the deaths of people crushed by a fence at Hillsborough as a reason to throw teenagers out of Brighton where there are no longer any fences ? Why also do they ignore the simple fact that fans from Leeds to Spurs stand and sing week in week out so why do Brighton feel the need to shoot itself in the foot with this issue?
fusion1296
New member
- Mar 17, 2012
- 14
watching the Man u game on the TV , behind both goals they seem to all be standing , is the law different at some grounds ?
Tummy Burger
New member
Listening to the game on Seagull player and watching the game on the telly. Not a lot of sitting going on behind the goals at Old Trafford tonight.
Weststander
Well-known member
No Lancastrian equivalent of Hebberd at OT then?
Instead, a pragmatic view, creating a 12th man for them then.
Instead, a pragmatic view, creating a 12th man for them then.
Weststander
Well-known member
That's a bit alarming.
The club left decisions to you of all people, the unprofessional person going on about spotty oiks and H block.
Hopefully this modern club no longer use your subjective services.
Captain Sensible
Well-known member
Why on earth does Hillsborough get brought up when the safe standing issue is discussed? It shouldn't even come into the issue. Safe standing is utterly utterly different, to old style terraces. Like somone else just said, at old trafford, both stands behind both goals are all standing, maybe 30k people #unsafeseating
raymondbriggs
New member
The poor soles who died and those who suffered terrible burns at Bradford were all in allocated seating,those in the standing area in the front half of the stand got out unharmed.in that case seating killed and standing was safe.
The true link between both cases was the contempt for the safety of the customers and the shit state of both grounds.Hillsborough nearly happened at the semi the season before and Bradford was a fire trap of a stand just waiting to burn down and people died because the exit gates at the back of the stand were padlocked shut.
Our Goldstone South stand was just as bad,but we got lucky it burnt down overnight after a match against Middlesborough.
raymondbriggs
New member
I have no intention to post the frightening video of the Bradford disaster but...
After 40 minutes of the first half, the score remained 0–0,[14] in what was described as a drab affair with neither team threatening to score.[15] At 3:40 pm, five minutes before half-time, the first sign of a fire—a glowing light[10]—was noticed three rows from the back of block G.[16] It is believed the fire started when a spectator dropped a match, lit cigarette or tobacco, which fell through holes in the stand to rubbish which had accumulated below. One witness saw paper or debris on fire, about nine inches below the floor boards.[10] The stand seats did not have risers; this down the years had allowed a huge accumulation of rubbish and paper under the stand, which had been lost or disposed of by dropping it back between the seats.[citation needed]
Spectators initially felt their feet becoming warmer; one of them ran to the back of the stand for a fire extinguisher but found none. A police officer shouted to a colleague for an extinguisher. However, his call was misheard and instead the fire brigade were radioed.[10] The call was timed at 3:43 pm.[11] However, the fire escalated rapidly and flames became visible, and so police started to evacuate the stand. The blaze began to spread; the roof and wooden stands were soon on fire. One eyewitness, Geoffrey Mitchell, told the BBC: "It spread like a flash. I've never seen anything like it. The smoke was choking. You could hardly breathe."[16] One of the linesmen informed match referee Don Shaw, who stopped the game with three minutes remaining before half-time.[14]
The wooden roof, which was covered with tarpaulin and sealed with asphalt and bitumen, caught fire.[10] The material combined with a strong wind to spread the fire along the stand, creating the impression of a fireball, setting fire to the entire stand.[10][17] Burning timbers and molten materials fell from the roof onto the crowd and seating below, and black smoke enveloped a passageway behind the stand, where many spectators were trying to escape.[10] It took less than four minutes for the entire stand to be engulfed in flames.[11]
There were no extinguishers in the stand's passageway for fear of vandalism, and one spectator ran to the clubhouse to find one, but was overcome by smoke and others trying to escape. Supporters either ran upwards to the back of the stand or downwards to the pitch to escape; very thankfully there was no perimeter fencing to prevent fans from escaping onto the pitch - something which was a contributing factor to the 1989 Hillsborough disaster. Most of the exits at the back were either locked or shut, and there were no stewards present to open them, but seven were either forced or found open.[8][10] Three men smashed down one door and at least one exit was opened by people outside.[10][16] Geoffrey Mitchell said: "There was panic as fans stampeded to an exit which was padlocked. Two or three burly men put their weight against it and smashed the gate open. Otherwise, I would not have been able to get out."[16] At the front of the stand, men threw children over the wall to help them escape. Most of those who escaped onto the pitch were saved.[10]
People who had escaped the fire then tried to assist their fellow supporters. Police officers also assisted in the rescue attempts. One man clambered over burning seats to help a fan,[18] as did player John Hawley,[15] and one officer led fans to an exit, only to find it shut and had to turn around.[10] Bradford City's coach Terry Yorath, whose family was in the stand,[19] ran on to the pitch to help evacuate people. Another player went into the office space to ensure there was nobody there.[19] One fan put his jumper over a fellow supporter's head to extinguish flames.[11] Those who escaped were taken out of the ground to neighbouring homes and a pub, where a television screened World of Sport, which had live pictures from the ground.[18][19] Those who escaped queued for a telephone to ring their families.[17]
A total of 56 people died in the fire.[2] Of those, 54 were Bradford supporters and two from Lincoln.[15] They included three who tried to escape through the toilets, 27 who were found by exit K and turnstiles six to nine at the rear centre of the stand and two elderly people who died in their seats. Some had been crushed as they tried to crawl under turnstiles to escape. One retired mill worker made his way to the pitch, but was walking about on fire from head to foot. People smothered him to extinguish the flames, but he later died in hospital.[10] Half of those who died were either aged under 20 or over 70,[10][20] the eldest of which was the club's oldest supporter, former chairman, Sam Firth, aged 86.[10][16] More than 265 supporters were injured; the fire was described as the worst fire disaster in the history of British football, and the worst disaster since 66 spectators died at the Ibrox disaster, Glasgow in 1971.[14] One policeman said: "It must have been survival of the fittest—men first."[10]
The fire brigade arrived at the ground four minutes after they were called. However, the fire had consumed the stand by that point and they were faced by huge flames and dense smoke. Unfortunately, they were unable to start fighting the fire immediately so that supporters could be first rescued from the ground.[11] The fire destroyed the main stand and left only burned seats, lamps and fences. Some of those who died were still sitting upright in their seats covered by tarpaulin. Police worked until 4 am the following morning, under lighting, to remove all the bodies.[11]
The match was being recorded by Yorkshire Television for transmission on their Sunday afternoon regional football show The Big Match. Coverage of the fire was transmitted minutes after the event on the live ITV Saturday afternoon sports programme World of Sport and the BBC's Grandstand.
After 40 minutes of the first half, the score remained 0–0,[14] in what was described as a drab affair with neither team threatening to score.[15] At 3:40 pm, five minutes before half-time, the first sign of a fire—a glowing light[10]—was noticed three rows from the back of block G.[16] It is believed the fire started when a spectator dropped a match, lit cigarette or tobacco, which fell through holes in the stand to rubbish which had accumulated below. One witness saw paper or debris on fire, about nine inches below the floor boards.[10] The stand seats did not have risers; this down the years had allowed a huge accumulation of rubbish and paper under the stand, which had been lost or disposed of by dropping it back between the seats.[citation needed]
Spectators initially felt their feet becoming warmer; one of them ran to the back of the stand for a fire extinguisher but found none. A police officer shouted to a colleague for an extinguisher. However, his call was misheard and instead the fire brigade were radioed.[10] The call was timed at 3:43 pm.[11] However, the fire escalated rapidly and flames became visible, and so police started to evacuate the stand. The blaze began to spread; the roof and wooden stands were soon on fire. One eyewitness, Geoffrey Mitchell, told the BBC: "It spread like a flash. I've never seen anything like it. The smoke was choking. You could hardly breathe."[16] One of the linesmen informed match referee Don Shaw, who stopped the game with three minutes remaining before half-time.[14]
The wooden roof, which was covered with tarpaulin and sealed with asphalt and bitumen, caught fire.[10] The material combined with a strong wind to spread the fire along the stand, creating the impression of a fireball, setting fire to the entire stand.[10][17] Burning timbers and molten materials fell from the roof onto the crowd and seating below, and black smoke enveloped a passageway behind the stand, where many spectators were trying to escape.[10] It took less than four minutes for the entire stand to be engulfed in flames.[11]
There were no extinguishers in the stand's passageway for fear of vandalism, and one spectator ran to the clubhouse to find one, but was overcome by smoke and others trying to escape. Supporters either ran upwards to the back of the stand or downwards to the pitch to escape; very thankfully there was no perimeter fencing to prevent fans from escaping onto the pitch - something which was a contributing factor to the 1989 Hillsborough disaster. Most of the exits at the back were either locked or shut, and there were no stewards present to open them, but seven were either forced or found open.[8][10] Three men smashed down one door and at least one exit was opened by people outside.[10][16] Geoffrey Mitchell said: "There was panic as fans stampeded to an exit which was padlocked. Two or three burly men put their weight against it and smashed the gate open. Otherwise, I would not have been able to get out."[16] At the front of the stand, men threw children over the wall to help them escape. Most of those who escaped onto the pitch were saved.[10]
People who had escaped the fire then tried to assist their fellow supporters. Police officers also assisted in the rescue attempts. One man clambered over burning seats to help a fan,[18] as did player John Hawley,[15] and one officer led fans to an exit, only to find it shut and had to turn around.[10] Bradford City's coach Terry Yorath, whose family was in the stand,[19] ran on to the pitch to help evacuate people. Another player went into the office space to ensure there was nobody there.[19] One fan put his jumper over a fellow supporter's head to extinguish flames.[11] Those who escaped were taken out of the ground to neighbouring homes and a pub, where a television screened World of Sport, which had live pictures from the ground.[18][19] Those who escaped queued for a telephone to ring their families.[17]
A total of 56 people died in the fire.[2] Of those, 54 were Bradford supporters and two from Lincoln.[15] They included three who tried to escape through the toilets, 27 who were found by exit K and turnstiles six to nine at the rear centre of the stand and two elderly people who died in their seats. Some had been crushed as they tried to crawl under turnstiles to escape. One retired mill worker made his way to the pitch, but was walking about on fire from head to foot. People smothered him to extinguish the flames, but he later died in hospital.[10] Half of those who died were either aged under 20 or over 70,[10][20] the eldest of which was the club's oldest supporter, former chairman, Sam Firth, aged 86.[10][16] More than 265 supporters were injured; the fire was described as the worst fire disaster in the history of British football, and the worst disaster since 66 spectators died at the Ibrox disaster, Glasgow in 1971.[14] One policeman said: "It must have been survival of the fittest—men first."[10]
The fire brigade arrived at the ground four minutes after they were called. However, the fire had consumed the stand by that point and they were faced by huge flames and dense smoke. Unfortunately, they were unable to start fighting the fire immediately so that supporters could be first rescued from the ground.[11] The fire destroyed the main stand and left only burned seats, lamps and fences. Some of those who died were still sitting upright in their seats covered by tarpaulin. Police worked until 4 am the following morning, under lighting, to remove all the bodies.[11]
The match was being recorded by Yorkshire Television for transmission on their Sunday afternoon regional football show The Big Match. Coverage of the fire was transmitted minutes after the event on the live ITV Saturday afternoon sports programme World of Sport and the BBC's Grandstand.