Noone ain't worth much more than 750k!!!

[Ninja Elephant]

Ergo, sell him for a decent amount. 750k is a decent amount.

No it isn't, that's nothing. Nothing at all. How much of that goes to Plymouth? 10%? 20%? People say we were done by selling Bennett for £1.5million and Crofts for £300,000 but what can you say about Noone for £750,000?! That would be awful business.

 

[Seagulls1984]

It wouldn't b awful business it would just b a bit pointless.

 

[middletoenail]

No it isn't, that's nothing. Nothing at all. How much of that goes to Plymouth? 10%? 20%? People say we were done by selling Bennett for £1.5million and Crofts for £300,000 but what can you say about Noone for £750,000?! That would be awful business.

Where have you got the sell on clause from? I thought the reason why Plymouth loved the deal so much was because all the cash was up front?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Where have you got the sell on clause from? I thought the reason why Plymouth loved the deal so much was because all the cash was up front?

I would have thought there will be a sell on clause. It doesn't seem likely that there isn't one. I hope there isn't, but I think there probably is.

 

[Albion Dan]

Ergo, sell him for a decent amount. 750k is a decent amount.

How is that a decent amount if a player of similar calibre in Buckley cost us much more? Noone has been far more effective as a winger this season than any other player we have.

Cook was miles from being a regular. Noone has been a consistent starter. I agree sell for the right price, but only a pricr that gives sigmificant funds to really strengthen the team. 750k wont buy sod all if we are serious about going up.

 

[ArgyleUnited125]

Noone is a better player than people are suggesting. To sell him for anything less than a million profit, which means at the very least a £1.25million fee would be a bad decision. Especially considering the sell-on clause. Plymouth fans will be following this hoping we get at the very least a million for him. His value in the summer market would be less than it is in january, that's just how the market works. If you want to buy now, you pay higher.

Are you sure we have a sell on clause? Pretty sure we were desperate for cash just before we went into admin when we sold him. Probabaly took an extra 50k instead of a sell on. Stupid decision but they didnt care about the future.

 

[Muzzy]

It's what the player is worth to the club and I think at the moment he is worth around a million. People talk about Nooney not having the end product but if you look at how much he has improved since last year who is to say that this will not improve over the rest of this season and next. Looking at Buckley and KLL against Wrexham today and over the season so far I still would value Noone over both these players, not to mention the fact that I just love watching him play.

I agree.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Gus should of just said were not selling end of,but I think he will b off.

He has.
Noone deal going nowhere, says Poyet From The Argus)

 

[British Bulldog]

He has.
Noone deal going nowhere, says Poyet From The Argus)

Thats not how I read it, The way it comes across to me is with the current offer it's going nowhere but if they come back with the right money then who knows.



"It's totally different. At the moment it's going nowhere. I don't know what is going to happen but what is true right now is they've got no chance.

"They would have to more than significantly up their offer."

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thats not how I read it, The way it comes across to me is with the current offer it's going nowhere but if they come back with the right money then who knows.



"It's totally different. At the moment it's going nowhere. I don't know what is going to happen but what is true right now is they've got no chance.

"They would have to more than significantly up their offer."

I would agree with you if Gus had said 'They would have to significantly up their offer' but the 'more than' speaks volumes.

 

[bhaexpress]

Noone is worth whatever Cardiff can afford providing it meets our valuation. The opinions of the OP are that of somebody who has no idea about finance. As has been said before we're not a selling club. Furthermore if Cardiff lose a few games and we win a few we'll be level and given Cardiff's less than brilliant financial situation they are not a step up, whatever their deluded fans might think.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Would love any 1 to explain to me how he's worth more??

Worth to Cardiff?

Worth to Brighton?

Crofts was our best player two years ago and we sold him for £300k. At the time it was worth it to us because £300k was a significant amount of money at the time - it gave us options. We sold Elliott for £1.5m whioch is a significant amount of money. It was worth it to us because we wanted the chance to platy in the Prem and as part of the deal we kept him for the rest of the season - which got us promoted. Steve Cook was worth £150k to us because he wanted to leave anyway (to get regular football) and we have plenty of back up. Not long ago we couldn't afford to buy players for £150k. So the meaning of "worth" changes all the time.

So what's Nooney "worth" to the Albion?

His replacement value only comes into question if we need to replace him - which it appears we don't. We do appear to have a lot of midfielders but not wingers specifically. However, Gus likes to play with just one winger so we could afford to have one less in the squad I suspect. On top of this, we know Gus is looking for another midfielder, so perhaps Gus feels he isn't relaiant on Craig.

"He's better than X, Y or Z" - so what? Cardiff aren't offering money for other players - they want Noone. Gus is weighing up if it's worth having a sum of money ("much more than £500k") at his disposal right now rather than have Nooney in the squad. We don't know what Gus has planned or who he is targeting - but Nooney might be "worth" more to us as £750k or so right now than as a squad player.

What about Noone's views? As was pointed out earlier, Steve Cook had reasons for wanting to go and Gus won't hold players back. We got a decent payment for a want-away player where we evidently have a lot of comparable cover (not that we all appreciated that until we saw the Dev players yesterday). It was "worth" releasing him for £150k because he was surplus and wanted to go. Who knows how Craig feels right now - but you can bet Gus will take that into account. Also worth noting, before people say Gus is weak thinking this way - whilst we might lose players sooner than we want because Gus cares about the players' careers, we'll also get people joining us who wouldn't otherwise.

So what's Craig Noone "worth" to the Albion? We don't know because there are variable beyond squad cover, equivalent market value and relative skills that we don't know about. For what it's worth, I love watching Nooney but suspect we could let him go and not weaken the squad. In doing so, we'll fre up wages and generate a lump sum to go into the new player fund. That cash is probably "worth" more than having an extra winger at this time.

But, we don't need to sell Nooney (thanks TB) - so that affects the price we will accept, which is then dictated by what Noone is "worth" to Cardiff.

I know very little about them as a club, but if they are desparate for a winger like Noone, then they might pay enough for us to decide to release Craig. If not, we don't need to sell him. When/if they decide he is "worth" enough for us to decide the funds are "worth" more right now to us than having the player in the squad (and assuming the deal is right for Noone) then he'll go.

And as for those who think we can collect players like some people collect stamps, grow up. All squads have to be limited in size and are constrained by the managers ability to balance his budget and the players' individual aspirations. We can't keep everyone for always just in case the cover for the cover for the first choice player gets a splinter.

My view? Cardiff would be getting a good deal (although not a snip) if they get Noone for £750k. He's a great guy and a good player, but not the finished article. But we'd be freeing up some wages and adding to our player fund (if TB lets Gus have it) at a time when we need players elsewhere on the pitch. My guess is that we'd do a deal at around that price.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

PS Apologies for that very long ramble

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

Would love any 1 to explain to me how he's worth more??

Because at times this season he has looked our only threat,Played superbly against 2 premiership teams,absolutely rips teams apart on his day even with 2 defenders marking him(if you went to Coventry you would have seen this).

I really don't understand the point of this stupid thread.Do you want to see our best players getting sold?.Any one would think the moneys going in your pocket.I just hope Nooney dosn't read shit like this.

 

[kevtherev]

Because we don't NEED to sell, that's how. If Cardiff want to tempt us they have to make us an offer well in excess of what he's 'worth'.

Although I would like to think we don't need to sell and we shouldn't your quite right..Maybe just maybe Poyet has a target in mind for lets say £1.5-£2m and Uncle Tony has told him he needs to fund half the money by selling someone. As rich as Mr Bloom is and he is, don't kid yourself people, this is still a business and should be ran as one, unless we want to suffer the same fate as many before us...Let's not forget Poyet has already spent a fortune this season and Bloom may think he has had enough for one year.

 

[NMH]

Because we don't NEED to sell, that's how. If Cardiff want to tempt us they have to make us an offer well in excess of what he's 'worth'.

This is the point. Not to price every player like a commodity that's easy to replace at will - but what Noone means to us.
Tricky, takes 2 to mark him (and still they struggle) and demoralising for defenders.

In my opinion, it's up to Poyet to make game-plans to suit players with such obvious talents, not get rid of them (for peanuts especially!)

 

[the right footed denilson]

Be interesting to see the kind of offer Everton make for Dunk. It might just put this discussion into perspective (i'd say Dunk is worth 5 times that of Nooney to the buying club).

 

[Seagull Steve]

What possible upside is there to us in selling for less than a million?

For me, that line is the reason we shouldn't sell him at that price. Who would we bring in that is any better than him for that money? But as always I will trust Gus's decision to do the right thing for the club.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Be interesting to see the kind of offer Everton make for Dunk. It might just put this discussion into perspective (i'd say Dunk is worth 5 times that of Nooney to the buying club).

If only it was a club with some money who were interested in Dunk.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

PS Apologies for that very long ramble

I enjoyed it. Summed it all up rather thoughtfully, I thought.