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Wozza

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Jul 6, 2003
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Minteh Wonderland
Ouch!


Virgin-Sky talks break down

Sky has told Virgin Media that it will pull its major channels from the network at the end of this month after talks broke down last night.

The two companies could not agree on a rate that Virgin Media would pay for the satellite broadcaster's basic channels - Sky One, Two, Three, News and Sport News.

Virgin Media claims Sky wanted to negotiate double the previous rate.

The Virgin Media chief executive, Steve Burch, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme this morning that he'd never heard of a broadcaster threatening to pull its channels, and said that even though Virgin is a rival of Sky it is also a customer.

He said that although he hoped the problem could be resolved, Sky had told them that it would not re-enter negotiations. The negotiations do not include the premium sports and movies channels.

A spokesperson for Virgin Media said Sky had "picked up the ball and walked away".

"The nature of these negotiations leads us to believe that this outcome has been deliberately engineered by Sky in order to suppress competition and coerce Virgin Media's customers into switching to its service by denying them access to the basic channels," said the company in a statement.

"This view is reinforced by Sky's decision to broadcast, at the height of negotiations on February 12, a series of promotions claiming that the channels were about to disappear from Virgin Media's network. This was nothing more than a heavy-handed attempt to exert undue influence on the negotiating process."

Virgin also claimed that Sky's channels have seen a "dramatic and sustained decline in popularity" among Virgin Media customers.

The dispute follows intense competition between the newly rebranded Virgin Media and Sky. In November, Rupert Murdoch's broadcaster bought a 17.9% stake in ITV at a time when Virgin Media - then NTL - was looking to bid for or merge with the commercial network.

A Sky spokesman insisted Sky had not "pulled" its channels.

"We have an agreement that Virgin Media can distribute those channels until the end of the month," he said.

"Virgin cannot distribute from the March 1 if there is no agreement so, sadly for our customers, those channels would not be available."
 




Dave the OAP

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Jul 5, 2003
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I hope I am going to get a refund of my charges then Mr Branson......oh and whilst we are at it...the Virgin Station ( on demand) is just a rehash of the NTL On Demand service which has loads of services ...Virgin's has 6


:angry: :angry:
 




beardy gull

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Jul 18, 2003
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Dave the Gaffer said:
I hope I am going to get a refund of my charges then Mr Branson......oh and whilst we are at it...the Virgin Station ( on demand) is just a rehash of the NTL On Demand service which has loads of services ...Virgin's has 6


:angry: :angry:

...but on demand is still available exactly as before
 






Trigger

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Jul 4, 2003
40,457
Brighton
One Virgin customer lost here if those channels DO actually go on March 1st.
 
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jonny.rainbow

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Oct 29, 2005
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I don't understand why they would pull Sky News and Sky Sports News as those channels are subscription free on freeview anyway?
 


Cian

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Jul 16, 2003
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Dublin, Ireland
Happened before with CableLink in Dublin/Waterford/Galway in the early 1990s. Sky capitulated in the end as it was destroying their Irish ad revenues, but CableLink had >70% of all homes that were getting the Sky channels, not the ~20% that Virgin have...
 




MOWTCHOPS

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Feb 17, 2007
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is THIS for the basic package ? or for all Virgin packages ?

I can't find ANYTHING about this on the net ..

AND SURELY it has to be illegal for SKY to charge Virgin more for its channels than other companies ?? I remember when BT tried this they got very harshly repremanded !!!
 


Cian

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Jul 16, 2003
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all packages. And yes, it is, but it'll take a very long court case to rule that, especially as Ofcom are currently down on their knees, sucking Murdoch off...
 






Seagull over NZ

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Jul 7, 2003
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Bristol
To me this seems to be both Sky and Virgin trying to flex their muscles. Sky sees Virgin as a genuine competition here as they are set to offer the quad-band of services (cable, broadband, landline and mobile phone) and Sky risks losing customers becuase they cannot offer the same.

Virgin are saying £40 for 4 services. This is only the basic Sky packages so you would be looking at anohter £20-£25 for the sports channels but if I add up my 4 services of what I pay its still a good deal:

Sky - £32 (including movies and sport)
Landline - £10
Broadband - £18
Mobile - £25

However, I wouldn't get rid of my Sky+ although that's a good offer from Virgin. What this means is that when my Sky renewal is up I can negotiate a better deal.

My advice to people on Sky who are out of contract would be to ring Sky up and threaten to leave for Virgin and see what they will offer you to stay. Worked with me, I got a 1/3rd off the monthly subscription.
 


MOWTCHOPS

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Feb 17, 2007
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magoo said:
They're shit channels anyway. As long as the fee is reduced i don't care.

SkySports news is a winner as is Sky One with Lost, 24, Heros etc etc, not to mention new Simpsons every Sunday night !!!
 






Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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magoo said:
They're shit channels anyway. As long as the fee is reduced i don't care.
SSN is quality. On many occasions (usually stag weekends) I've sat in a pub on a Saturday afternoon with a stonking hang over nursing another ALE staring blankly at SSN as the scores filter through.

Absolutely marvellous.
 




The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
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I have NTL (Or Virgin Media), and I couldn't give a toss if there are no Sky channels. They are all fundamentally unwatchable - Sky One and Sky Two are a joke. Sky News should be re-christened 'Blow Wave News', and Sky Sports News, aside from the odd breaking story which I can pick up an hour later from another source anyway, is pathetic.

It's more like a sports version of Hello! magazine. They have one banal pidgin English statement from a Premiership player that no-one gives a toss about, and anally fatten it up to turn it into a pisspoor 'news' item.

Nope, not going to miss it.
 


Dave the OAP

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Jul 5, 2003
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I tend to agree.


If Virgin said, "we will give you the terrestrial channels and you dont have to have anything else, but if you want you can have the 3 sky sports channels and the eurosport channels and perhaps SSN", then I would bite their hands off...it would save me a fortune.


BTW anyone else slightly worried that this is coming a bit too close to the Cricket World Cup? I wonder what would happen if Murdoch said ..." OK Branson, f*** off , you cant have anything..." and switched off all the sky channels. :down: :down: :down:
 




Robot Chicken

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Jul 5, 2003
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Considering that most of my favourite programmes are on Sky One I will have to get rid of NTL/Virgin if Sky pull their programmes.
 


Dave the OAP

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Jul 5, 2003
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I very rarely watch anything but the terrestrials...hence it would suit if there was someway of just having Sky Sports and Europsort along with BBC etc.

having the radio channels is a total waste of time for me
 


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