[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[The Clamp]

1. Kick out the foreigners
2. Transfer wealth from the poorest to the wealthiest
3. Make St George's Day a public holiday.

And probably some others.....

The want to turn mosques into Wetherspoons.

 

[Goldstone1976]

No you haven't.
I have not deliberately ignored you, with my ADHD I flick about to what I find gives me the dopamine I crave for.
So please pleasure me.
Sorry perhaps it didn't excite me, or I just forgot about you, in the nicest possible way.
It very much depends also whether the question asked are a one part question or they are multiply question all together, please remember I am reading these question multiply times and then working out the language you may have used to the point of "what are they actually asking"?
When I am a 100% sure I answer it, if I am not sure I don't, because most are not patient enough to put it into laymen terms for me.
It can be like communicating with a Glaswegian after 20 scotches at times!

I hope you can understand this.

Farage is logical and yet visionary, I have these trait that's why I get him. Yes the immigration has been off the scale under the Tories but Blair opened the gates originally and it damaged us to the point of internal fighting.

I will not get deeply into this because of my dyslexia, otherwise someone will spin it in a wrong way and Starmer law will be chucking out more paedophiles to find a space for Ronnie.

That's another thing why so many are becoming Reform members?


The Seismograph will struggle to cope with the swing towards Reform come 2029.

Maybe you will join up before then?


If you could reply to me please?

How many things do you feel Starmers has got badly wrong since July?

A list would help me thanks.

I’ve read a few of your posts and I find them confusing. I can’t decide if:

a) Reacting to posts that challenge you are exacerbating your neurodiversity in a negative way, OR

b) You’re taking the piss.

This confusion tormented me until I realised that the solution was the same in either case: you shouldn’t post on this thread again.

So I’ve made it so that you cannot.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

No you haven't.
I have not deliberately ignored you, with my ADHD I flick about to what I find gives me the dopamine I crave for.
So please pleasure me.
Sorry perhaps it didn't excite me, or I just forgot about you, in the nicest possible way.
It very much depends also whether the question asked are a one part question or they are multiply question all together, please remember I am reading these question multiply times and then working out the language you may have used to the point of "what are they actually asking"?
When I am a 100% sure I answer it, if I am not sure I don't, because most are not patient enough to put it into laymen terms for me.
It can be like communicating with a Glaswegian after 20 scotches at times!

I hope you can understand this.

Farage is logical and yet visionary, I have these trait that's why I get him. Yes the immigration has been off the scale under the Tories but Blair opened the gates originally and it damaged us to the point of internal fighting.

I will not get deeply into this because of my dyslexia, otherwise someone will spin it in a wrong way and Starmer law will be chucking out more paedophiles to find a space for Ronnie.

That's another thing why so many are becoming Reform members?


The Seismograph will struggle to cope with the swing towards Reform come 2029.

Maybe you will join up before then?


If you could reply to me please?

How many things do you feel Starmers has got badly wrong since July?

A list would help me thanks.

You've got ADHD?

I can't believe you didn't mention that before...!

 

[Lever]

I’ve read a few of your posts and I find them confusing. I can’t decide if:

a) Reacting to posts that challenge you are exacerbating your neurodiversity in a negative way, OR

b) You’re taking the piss.

This confusion tormented me until I realised that the solution was the same in either case: you shouldn’t post on this thread again.

So I’ve made it so that you cannot.

Thank you for that.

I genuinely felt s/he was in danger of having an emotional collapse in plain view on this thread....

You may have saved him/her......

 

[Peteinblack]

I think if you’re comparing the two as the same thing you’re in for a big shock in a few years. UKIP was a one policy party.

Reform is a totally different party and will have a much higher level of popularity.

But most people only know about Reform, and vote for them, because of their hostility towards asylum-seekers and immigrants; that is what they are associated with, and what holds them together. Oh, and the wholly manufactured image of multi-millionaire grifter and shit-stirrer Nigel Farage as 'man of the people' or 'authentic voice of the working-class'.

Without this single issue or Farage's bombastic leadership and inflammatory rhetoric, I doubt if Reform UK would have a single MP. They would disappear back to the political fringe, or implode.

 

[Peteinblack]

The want to turn mosques into Wetherspoons.

The spiritual home or shrine of their supporters!

 

[rogersix]

Why do you feel farage/reform fans are racists? Sounds like you may have been coerced by a James O'Brien type.

Racists vote for all parties, but the majority will have plumped for the tories. Now they have more extreme option. Our nige does enjoy a whistle, but he hasn't got a dog

 

[Peteinblack]

Why do you feel farage/reform fans are racists? Sounds like you may have been coerced by a James O'Brien type.

Not only racists, but hold a whole range of other thoroughly reactionary views which would make even the Daily Mail blush.

What do Reform UK voters believe? | YouGov

YouGov shines a light on the backers of the insurgent party

yougov.co.uk

Who are Reform UK, where did they come from and what are their policies?

The Reform Party is level with the Liberal Democrats according to Sky's polling - so here Sky News walks you through its key figures, its history, and what its policies are.

news.sky.com

Reform UK appeal mainly to uneducated people who (understandably) feel 'left behind', and are easily persuaded that immigrants are the cause of 99% of their problems; simplistic instant solutions to long-term and often complex problems.

Also, blaming immigrants enables them to feel better about themselves, because there is someone else they feel is inferior to them - classic 'punching down'.

It is always tragic seeing so many working-class people - justifiable angry at poverty wages, insecure or low-status jobs, and decimated public services - being persuaded that a Right-wing party led and funded by millionaires cares about the working-class and the poor.

The fact that Farage spends so much time in the United States with his billionaire mate Donald Trump, rather than helping his constituents in run-down Clacton, says all you need to know about how little Farage really cares about ordinary people.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Another man of the people who says it like it is

 

[nicko31]

Another man of the people who says it like it is

That photo still makes shudder, we were all hurting back then. Seems apt he has now joined Grifters Inc

 

[rogersix]

Need a poll, who has been more fun in the past few years, Two Professors, Bakerlite or RBR...

Who did bakerlite morph in to?

 

[Guinness Boy]

But most people only know about Reform, and vote for them, because of their hostility towards asylum-seekers and immigrants; that is what they are associated with, and what holds them together. Oh, and the wholly manufactured image of multi-millionaire grifter and shit-stirrer Nigel Farage as 'man of the people' or 'authentic voice of the working-class'.

Without this single issue or Farage's bombastic leadership and inflammatory rhetoric, I doubt if Reform UK would have a single MP. They would disappear back to the political fringe, or implode.

The same working class bloke who turned up at a millionaire farmers protest in yellow trousers and has racked up enough frequent flyer points to the States to virtually sit in the cockpit? That working class hero?

It's astonishing that people can't see through him just because he comes out with soundbites that would make a cabbie blush.

 

[nicko31]

Who did bakerlite morph in to?

I'm not going to speculate, but I have some suspicions.

Key characteristics are build an imaginary character that takes certain lines on certain subjects with a general sense of grievance

 

[nicko31]

The same working class bloke who turned up at a millionaire farmers protest in yellow trousers and has racked up enough frequent flyer points to the States to virtually sit in the cockpit? That working class hero?

It's astonishing that people can't see through him just because he comes out with soundbites that would make a cabbie blush.

Its a common theme with these elites from Farage to Le Pen to Trump. If you focus on certain groups it is possible to build a coalition of grievance. Farage's latest target is young men, target the bros

 

[Machiavelli]

Its a common theme with these elites from Farage to Le Pen to Trump. If you focus on certain groups it is possible to build a coalition of grievance. Farage's latest target is young men, target the bros

Yup. That's their strategy and it's working very well. UFC, etc seems to be one of the primary mechanisms atm.

 

[nicko31]

Yup. That's their strategy and it's working very well. UFC, etc seems to be one of the primary mechanisms atm.

My kids in late teens watch UFC, some of their friends are definitely get pulled down far right rabbit hole.

 

[Machiavelli]

My kids in late teens watch UFC, some of their friends are definitely get pulled down far right rabbit hole.

Yes, I've got a 17yo so have witnessed it, and find it vile. We're in Brighton, so there's a juxtaposition between that and a more open, diverse, tolerant culture. Which is another illustration that their domain is online. Not sure much can be done about it in a hurry, but it also points to our domain being 'the real world'.

 

[rogersix]

I think if you’re comparing the two as the same thing you’re in for a big shock in a few years. UKIP was a one policy party.

Reform is a totally different party and will have a much higher level of popularity.

What did you make of your nige supporting putin?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yup. That's their strategy and it's working very well. UFC, etc seems to be one of the primary mechanisms atm.

My kids in late teens watch UFC, some of their friends are definitely get pulled down far right rabbit hole.

Yes, I've got a 17yo so have witnessed it, and find it vile. We're in Brighton, so there's a juxtaposition between that and a more open, diverse, tolerant culture. Which is another illustration that their domain is online. Not sure much can be done about it in a hurry, but it also points to our domain being 'the real world'.

My 18 year old watches UFC and thinks Farage and Trump are idiots.

What doesn't always help is well meaning liberals. The year 10 and 11 at my son's school before he left for 6th form were given a special assembly on the evils of Andrew Tate. Pretty much every boy came out of that, even if they'd not heard of him before and followed Tate or checked out his content. It had the exact opposite of the desired effect.

Another teacher kicked my son's friend out of class because he referred to a class mate as 'her' and 'you shouldn't assume pronouns'. That teacher immediately earned the nickname 'woke nonsense'.

Schools and colleges need to teach young men, especially working class, how to think for themselves and not what to think.

 

[Eeyore]

My 18 year old watches UFC and thinks Farage and Trump are idiots.

What doesn't always help is well meaning liberals. The year 10 and 11 at my son's school before he left for 6th form were given a special assembly on the evils of Andrew Tate. Pretty much every boy came out of that, even if they'd not heard of him before and followed Tate or checked out his content. It had the exact opposite of the desired effect.

Another teacher kicked my son's friend out of class because he referred to a class mate as 'her' and 'you shouldn't assume pronouns'. That teacher immediately earned the nickname 'woke nonsense'.

Schools and colleges need to teach young men, especially working class, how to think for themselves and not what to think.

Oh, come on, that didn't happen, surely.

.. it did didn't it ?

I honestly think that the better minded society is going to be set back 50 years if this sort of stuff continues.