[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Yoda]

It will be interesting to see if they now get properly questioned about the fairy stories in their plans for budget, cuts and charging for the nhs. It is very easy to be the mouth protest but I wonder how far it can go before people realise it will crash the economy.

And by that point most of their rights that came from EU law and converted to British will have been removed too so they won't be able to much.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

If boat crossings and migration are reduced, he will claim responsibility for it.

If it doesn't, he will blame Labour/the EU

 

[Baldseagull]

Reform party will be getting state funding now of about £950k a year.

 

[amexer]

What % of Reform votes came from people concerned about immigration. I would guess 90%

 

[Happy Exile]

as much as 4 seats for Reform is too many, the fact is, its more a symptom of our fatally flawed election system than any true refelction of the country as a whole.

Tories got over 2/3 of Labour vote total and little over 1/4 of their number of seats.

Reform got 600k more votes than Lib Dems but only 1/20th of their seats.

Yep, thats the system, and in reforms case theyre wont be many crying eyes but its in no way representative democracy

Yes - in 2019 the Lib Dems lost a seat despite increasing their vote share by more than 4%. This time they've gained a huge number of seats with just a 0.5% increase.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Nigel's accomplishments:

1. Brexit
2. Landslide Labour victory

What's the hat-trick going to be?

A brace is often enough, look at Aaron Connolly these days

 

[sakooshi]

as much as 4 seats for Reform is too many, the fact is, its more a symptom of our fatally flawed election system than any true refelction of the country as a whole.

Tories got over 2/3 of Labour vote total and little over 1/4 of their number of seats.

Reform got 600k more votes than Lib Dems but only 1/20th of their seats.

Yep, thats the system, and in reforms case theyre wont be many crying eyes but its in no way representative democracy

We had a referendum about a decade or so ago asking the British people whether they would like to swap the current First Past The Post system for something more representative, and they said no thanks

 

[Greg Bobkin]

If boat crossings and migration are reduced, he will claim responsibility for it.

If it doesn't, he will blame Labour/the EU

If that happens, they've not really got a USP as a political party. Apart from being 'anti-woke' and yearning for a return to 'the good old days'.

 

[Silverhatch]

As per my teenage son...Farage has been all over tictoc so he's pretty much the main politician he's heard of during this election...and he's funny apparently.
However... Raymondo junior did offer that he thinks he may be a racist.

Exactly the same experience in my household. Fired up a pretty good discussion about politics. Didn’t a certain Austrian Corporal target the youth?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Reform party will be getting state funding now of about £950k a year.

I’ve no doubt the donors will be asked for more money soon enough.

 

[BHANSC]

5th seat well done Reform!

 

[A1X]

Reform party will be getting state funding now of about £950k a year.

Makes a change that it’s the British state funding it

 

[mile oak]

Just imagine if Reform had had more notice been able to plan better how many more seats would've been won. GET INTHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[chickens]

I'd be pissed off with the outcome but not the process. I really cannot justify changing a simple and unequivocal outcome system just to suit my own outcome preference. Without wishing to by cynical, the loudest supporters of FPTP alternatives are nearly always supporters of minority parties. Fancy that.

If the electorate has a collective spasm and gives Farage a majority then I would say, as I always do, that the people always get the governments they deserve.

So, when we reach America levels of inbreeding and stupidity due to fetishisation of the two party system, and both of our two “main” parties are rotten to the core, how do we escape that?

Don’t say it can’t happen, look at America right now. The relative beauty of (frankly most) other electoral systems is that with a larger quantity of parties that could potentially take power if the main two turn rotten those lobbyists who effectively want to control the discourse can’t simply corrupt two parties and then sit there job done. You can’t stop corruption completely, but you can make it expensive, time-consuming and difficult for those trying to perpetrate it.

Multiple smaller faster targets are harder to hit than two static targets. For me a two party system represents two static targets. I will support Labour’s first term, and possibly their second, we both know that by a third they’re likely to be rotten. Wouldn’t it be nice if instead of flipping back to the Conservatives for 2/3 terms there was a genuine prospect of a decent alternative?

 

[North of Robertsbridge]

I predict that Farage’s election will provide a four-year boom for egg farmers

 

[Seat Stealer]

Bit of a left wing bias on here!

 

[birthofanorange]

Bit of a left wing bias on here!

By 'here', you mean the country, yes?

 

[mile oak]

Hecklers disrupt Reform UK event as Nigel Farage vows to ‘come after’ Labour

Party leader and newly elected MP claims ‘political establishment are in fear’ after election results

www.theguardian.com

How are these people allowed to get in and disrupt the electoral process its like the Tory MP that had stuff ripped up campaigning its surely a police matter for public disruption etc.

 

[Berty23]

Just imagine if Reform had had more notice been able to plan better how many more seats would've been won. GET INTHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They had plenty of chance to get organised. Just like Labour and Lib Dem’s. The difference is that they didn’t take it because Farage was planning on being trump’s fluffer but then he realised he had a chance to push himself where he could not lose and a chance to make cash. So he did it for his own personal gain.

I will be quite shocked if he lasts five years in Parliament before getting bored and breaking rules so he can blame the establishment.

 

[Berty23]

Bit of a left wing bias on here!

Yes. Just like in the overall country