[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Bodian]

And the Danish cows? For all intents and purposes, East Anglian?

An intelligent and well-educated man thinking that bacon comes from cows means we're even more alarmingly divorced from our understanding of food than I thought

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

An intelligent and well-educated man thinking that bacon comes from cows means we're even more alarmingly divorced from our understanding of food than I thought

Lurpak. Danish butter.

(I've just been whooshed, haven't I )

 

[BBassic]

Oh yeah, I'm sure Putin is a great guy.

Y'know, provided you stay on his good side and / or don't have anything (sovereign land, for instance) he believes to be his which he then decides to take by wielding various avenues of attack both overt and secretive.

Odious party. And they'll get votes.

 

[Eric the meek]

Lurpak. Danish butter.

(I've just been whooshed, haven't I )

Not really HWT. I just thought I would sneak that in to see if anyone noticed.

I didn't really think that far ahead to have a plan on what to do if it was raised as a query - I thought I could overcome any problem in Lurpak not being English, by winging it, should the situation arise. A bit like the Reform party manifesto.

 

[Baldseagull]

Surely the whole point of leaving the ECHR to replace with a consititution for British Citizens, would mean previous protections afforded to illegal migrants and asylum seekers, would be somewhat constrained?

Otherwise why are Farage and Reform wanting to replace ECHR in the UK?

If they replaced it at all, they could exclude or reduce the right to a family life, for all of us, which seems to be one of the main arguments against deportation. They may remove or reduce the right to not suffer persecution due to political or religious belief or sexuality, another defence against deportation. Or the right to life, which would allow deportations and extradition where someone may face the death penalty, or pave the way for a return of the death penalty here.

Or they may not afford the same level of human rights to a foreign born citizen.
Both are worrying, but more so that a foreign born citizen is considered to have less human rights than a British born citizen.

Or, the least worrying, but still would be a reduction in your and my rights, would be to accept all the ECHR principles, and keep them in UK law, but by not being a signatory, not be subject to the precedents of the ECtHR or have it over rule a decision made in a UK Court, or give people access to a legal process where the UK has denied it.

 

[Bodian]

Lurpak. Danish butter.

(I've just been whooshed, haven't I )

Not really HWT. I just thought I would sneak that in to see if anyone noticed.

I didn't really think that far ahead to have a plan on what to do if it was raised as a query - I thought I could overcome any problem in Lurpak not being English, by winging it, should the situation arise. A bit like the Reform party manifesto.

Ha! I hadn't even noticed the 'Lurpak'. I focused on the 'Danepak Bacon'!!

 

[dsr-burnley]

So what do you think of Farage Putin?

I disagree with Farage's views on Putin and Russia.

 

[Eric the meek]

Ha! I hadn't even noticed the 'Lurpak'. I focused on the 'Danepak Bacon'!!

I didn't mean to trick anyone - I was just having a bit of fun.

But enough of my fictional breakfast. Back to Farage!

 

[Bodian]

Now - I don't know what to think about this. Obviously don't want Reform to do well - but if their vote is going to drop, it just means the Tory vote goes up - making it less likely that they will be third seatswise. What a conundrum

UK general election: suspended Labour candidate says he regrets betting on Tories to win in his constituency – as it happened

Kevin Craig says he ‘will take the consequences of this stupid error of judgment on the chin’

www.theguardian.com

 

[beorhthelm]

Now - I don't know what to think about this. Obviously don't want Reform to do well - but if their vote is going to drop, it just means the Tory vote goes up - making it less likely that they will be third seatswise. What a conundrum

UK general election: suspended Labour candidate says he regrets betting on Tories to win in his constituency – as it happened

Kevin Craig says he ‘will take the consequences of this stupid error of judgment on the chin’

www.theguardian.com

to put it another way, if the tactical vote site says vote Reform to keep out the Tory, do you follow that?

 

[WATFORD zero]

to put it another way, if the tactical vote site says vote Reform to keep out the Tory, do you follow that?

Or if you're a traditional one nation tory, do you vote Labour to try and keep Reform out as Labour would be far closer to your views than Reform or Rishi

 

[Eric the meek]

Now - I don't know what to think about this. Obviously don't want Reform to do well - but if their vote is going to drop, it just means the Tory vote goes up - making it less likely that they will be third seatswise. What a conundrum

UK general election: suspended Labour candidate says he regrets betting on Tories to win in his constituency – as it happened

Kevin Craig says he ‘will take the consequences of this stupid error of judgment on the chin’

www.theguardian.com

This is an interesting, but also a confusing, development.

The figures suggest that the fall in the Reform vote is being picked up across all three of Lab, Con and LibDems. By becoming vocal on Ukraine, did Farage get it wrong? Did he misread the room, like a Russian?

It will be interesting to see what he says next. Will there be damage limitation? More doubling down?

My money is on deflection. I suspect he will talk about something else.

 

[schmunk]

fictional breakfast

 

[Eric the meek]

It's available at the Reform Club on Pall Mall, before 11am.

Dining - Reform Club

Reform Club

www.reformclub.com

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I disagree with Farage's views on Putin and Russia.

Which should tell you why voting for reform is stupid and I’m being polite.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Which should tell you why voting for reform is stupid and I’m being polite.

If I were to vote for Reform it would be as a protest vote, not as support for Farage. The differences between the other parties are only playing round the edges - essentially they're all supporters of tax and spend and tax some more. They bleed the productive sector of the economy dry, and then say they want to go for growth. The shut down the oil industry and import oil instead and claim they are doing good for the environment. It's universal.

No way is Farage going to win, but if he gets votes it might make the other parties (well, the Conservatives at least) realise that being Conservative would be a good way to get Conservative votes. Their entire election campaign is "we're bad but Labour would be worse" and Labour's is "the Tories are bad and we couldn't be worse". Liberal election campaign is "watch me go down this zipwire into the pool" and SNP's is "we hate the English".

 

[beorhthelm]

Or if you're a traditional one nation tory, do you vote Labour to try and keep Reform out as Labour would be far closer to your views than Reform or Rishi

would make sense, beyond the rosettes, Starmer is closer to traditional one nation view than current Conservatives, let alone Reform.

 

[Zeberdi]

Usually the court is abbreviated to ECtHR, to avoid confusion.

Not when I was studying European Law at degree level. The Court itself refers to itself as the ECHR on judgments etc. It is usually clear from context if someone is referring to the Commission, the Convention or the Court but otherwise yes, the ‘t’ is added or it is written out in full.

HUDOC - European Court of Human Rights

The HUDOC database provides access to the case-law of the Court (Grand Chamber, Chamber and Committee judgments and decisions, communicated cases, advisory opinions and legal summaries from the Case-Law Information Note), the European Commission of Human Rights (decisions and reports) and the...

hudoc.echr.coe.int

 

[beorhthelm]

No way is Farage going to win, but if he gets votes it might make the other parties (well, the Conservatives at least) realise that being Conservative would be a good way to get Conservative votes. Their entire election campaign is "we're bad but Labour would be worse" and Labour's is "the Tories are bad and we couldn't be worse". Liberal election campaign is "watch me go down this zipwire into the pool" and SNP's is "we hate the English".

tbf a good summary of party positions. with important addition: Reform are offering a buffet of pub talk solutions that dont add up together, costing a lot more than they claim.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

I would think that about 10 out of 10 in the USA are immigrants
Where do you have to draw the line?

The unassimilated and hostile.