[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Peteinblack]

So the Institute for Fiscal Studies has got hold of Reform's plans: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...farage-conservatives-uk-general-election-live

Reading between the lines, what they amount to is the same kind of magical thinking that Truss used to tank our economy. Every time he appears at a debate, his opponents should just hammer this again and again: "You're Truss. Just like her, you claim to be a rebel, when in fact, you are just financially illeterate. It's been tried and it failed in record time. You're not an alternative to the Conservatives, you're an altenrative to reality."

IFS says: "Reform UK proposes tax cuts that it estimates would cost nearly £90bn per year, and spending increases of £50bn per year. It claims that it would pay for these through £150bn per year of reductions in other spending, covering public services, debt interest and working-age benefits.

This would represent a big cut to the size of the state. Regardless of the pros and cons of shrinking the state, or of any of their specific measures, the package as a whole is problematic. Spending reductions would save less than stated, and the tax cuts would cost more than stated, by a margin of tens of billions of pounds per year. Meanwhile the spending increases would cost more than stated if they are to achieve their objectives …

Even with the extremely optimistic assumptions about how much economic growth would increase, the sums in this manifesto do not add up. Whilst Reform’s manifesto gives a clear sense of priority, a government could only implement parts of this package, or would need to find other ways to help pay for it, which would mean losers not specified."

Sadly, I doubt that any of this will influence those who worship Farage and are planning to vote for Reform UK.

These people seem to be influenced by 'what I feel to be right', 'personality' and a visceral dislike of people with darker skin, rather than evidence or facts.

Indeed, the IFS will be dismissed by the Faragists as another bunch of 'experts' who are 'part of the liberal elite' or 'Left-wing media'.

Like Trump supporters in the US, it is virtually impossible to have a meaningful discussion with many of these people; they think and act more like a cult, insisting that it is everyone else who has been brainwashed, whereas they have seen the Light.

 

[Stato]

Sadly, I doubt that any of this will influence those who worship Farage and are planning to vote for Reform UK.

These people seem to be influenced by 'what I feel to be right', 'personality' and a visceral dislike of people with darker skin, rather than evidence or facts.

Indeed, the IFS will be dismissed by the Faragists as another bunch of 'experts' who are 'part of the liberal elite' or 'Left-wing media'.

Like Trump supporters in the US, it is virtually impossible to have a meaningful discussion with many of these people; they think and act more like a cult, insisting that it is everyone else who has been brainwashed, whereas they have seen the Light.

The message isn't actually for his voters, it's for what remains of the Conservative Party.

 

[Alwaysblue]

Vote Reform

Pass

 

[A1X]

Vote Reform

Nah I'm alright thanks. I've just had my mortgage rate hiked up thanks to Truss, don't fancy it happening again thanks to Farage.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Vote Reform

You crack on mate. The 10% projected Reform vote in my constituency, is exactly what was needed to hand the seat the from Tory to LibDem, and help to eject the incumbent criminal incompetents from office.

 

[vegster]

He is only doing it for the MP's salary and pension, and for an opportunity to find additional forms of spin-off income that the cachet of being an MP brings so, no f*** him. He can f*** off.

So, I'll put you down as Fence then ?

 

[A1X]

A full thread featuring charts and data follows that BTW if you’re interested

 

[nicko31]

A full thread featuring charts and data follows that BTW if you’re interested

Twice as mental

 

[bluenitsuj]

So easy to trigger people on here who get upset because someone else may have a different opinion to them. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

 

[Stato]

Having watched the Nuremberg trial as part of the BBC D-day broadcasts it reflects what was said at the trials. As they say the rest is history.

That passed me by. Was it recordings of the actual trials, or the 2006 docudrama?

 

[schmunk]

So easy to trigger people on here who get upset because someone else may have a different opinion to them. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

You're sounding a bit triggered there...

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

So easy to trigger people on here who get upset because someone else may have a different opinion to them. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

I think embarrassing would be voting for more self inflicted economic harm, by voting for the person who backed phase 1 of self inflicted economic harm despite seeing and being given evidence of what you are voting for.

Luckily this sort of person is a vast minority.

 

[The Clamp]

So easy to trigger people on here who get upset because someone else may have a different opinion to them. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

You look like the only one who’s triggered.

I think the folk who vote for these types of businesses (it’s a business not a political party. Details matter) get very disappointed when nobody really cares who they vote for.

 

[cirC]

That passed me by. Was it recordings of the actual trials, or the 2006 docudrama?

Should be able to find it on I-player as it was a bit of both.

The series was about finding and bringing to trial all of the Nazi hierarchy who were still alive when Germany surrendered.

 

[The Clamp]

Should be able to find it on I-player.

The series was about finding and bringing to trial all of the Nazi hierarchy who were still alive when Germany surrendered.

I shall seek it out.

What makes you think the Nazis were socialists, apart from what Goering is reported to have said at trial?

 

[Stato]

Should be able to find it on I-player as it was a bit of both.

The series was about finding and bringing to trial all of the Nazi hierarchy who were still alive when Germany surrendered.

This?

Nuremberg: The Nazis on Trial

Drama documentary that probes the minds of the three most notorious Nazis in the dock at the greatest trial of the 20th century.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Pavilionaire]

Reform are not a credible party of government. They are merely an isolationist, anti-immigration, one-issue party with all the serious stuff like economic policy, NHS, defence done of the back of a fag packet and bolted on.

What we're looking at here with Farage is the latest in a line of Great British Racist Orators who has that same knack that his predecessors Oswald Mosley and Enoch Powell had re tuning in the electorate's hopes and exploiting their fears.

To give him credit, he has the extraordinary gift of not sounding like a politician, that he possesses a clarity of thought that the main parties lack, a simple, brave but clear direction of travel.

Of course all of this is deception - he is dangerous, a Snake Oil Salesman of the highest order.

 

[The Clamp]

Hitler despised socialism.

 

[hart's shirt]

What we're looking at here with Farage is the latest in a line of Great British Racist Orators

In all honesty, I prefer Bake Off.

 

[Pavilionaire]

In all honesty, I prefer Bake Off.

I fancy Mary Berry's tastebuds will be titillated by Farage's Blue Steak with Rivers of Blood.