[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Eeyore]

Delightful chap

So basically he's using an incident he knows little of the details to for political capital. These Polidroids have no soul.

 

[Pavilionaire]

The problem the politicians have is that a very high proportion of that 30% that think Brexit was a good idea are older voters that turnout as a high percentage in elections.

It is very hard to convince someone who voted leave in 2016 that they made an error. No one likes to admit they were duped and they're far more likely to cling to the belief that it's just the wrong type of Brexit that's been implemented. This is why I remain convinced that the rejoining of the EU will be down to natural turnover of the electorate. Approximately 6 million potential voters have turned 18 in the last 9.5 years, and a similar number will have died at the other end of the scale - of which a high proportion wil have been Brexit voters. I reckon we need another 4-5 years to make rejoin an electorally viable policy, unfortunately.

You are spot on.

The facts are - economically - we were outside the EEC, we judged we'd be better off in, we joined, we WERE better off.

Then an unelected charlatan persuaded Britain to leave and - surprise, surprise, we were worse off economically - just like we we worse off pre 1973 when we were outside the EEC.

We appear to be wasting time delaying the inevitable of rejoining for no good reason. Starmer will wring his hands about growth for the rest of this Parliament, and he will live to regret not having the political balls to enter a Customs Union in his first terms, then re-entry into the Single Market in his second term.

The whole Brexit issue is boring. Too much was made of the political side - it had f**k all effect on the daily life of ordinary people, but economically the Leave campaign got it spectacularly wrong, and that is the important part.

Labour need to start talking about Brexit because it is Farage's Achilles Heel, and if they carry on ignoring the elephant in the room they will sleepwalk into Opposition.

 

[Deadly Danson]

Delightful chap

Just vile.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Delightful chap

You only have to look at language such as this, the words and actions from Trump and his cronies and, dare I say some comments on here, to see that this kind of language and these opinions are becoming more and more mainstream/acceptable all the time. There is a certain section of society that feel emboldened to speak out like this – for whatever reason – which I personally think is quite a sad state of affairs. But then a lot of people are inherently selfish, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Twats.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The problem the politicians have is that a very high proportion of that 30% that think Brexit was a good idea are older voters that turnout as a high percentage in elections.

It is very hard to convince someone who voted leave in 2016 that they made an error. No one likes to admit they were duped and they're far more likely to cling to the belief that it's just the wrong type of Brexit that's been implemented. This is why I remain convinced that the rejoining of the EU will be down to natural turnover of the electorate. Approximately 6 million potential voters have turned 18 in the last 9.5 years, and a similar number will have died at the other end of the scale - of which a high proportion wil have been Brexit voters. I reckon we need another 4-5 years to make rejoin an electorally viable policy, unfortunately.

So, with £400 Billion already pissed up the wall, only another £4-500 Billion written off GDP until anyone does the sensible thing and stops us punching ourselves in the face whilst chasing a £22B black hole
It's just lucky that the British economy is in such a brilliant state



And, on the subject of Tice, that'll be the bloke who spends most of his time in Dubai where his girlfriend, the delightful Isabel Oakeshott is now chasing the money, and in doing so, makes his mate Farage look like a good local MP giving full and extensive support to his constituents

 

[Motogull]

Delightful chap

You'd at least expect him to get the basic spelling right. Almost as if English isn't his first language.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You are spot on.

The facts are - economically - we were outside the EEC, we judged we'd be better off in, we joined, we WERE better off.

Then an unelected charlatan persuaded Britain to leave and - surprise, surprise, we were worse off economically - just like we we worse off pre 1973 when we were outside the EEC.

We appear to be wasting time delaying the inevitable of rejoining for no good reason. Starmer will wring his hands about growth for the rest of this Parliament, and he will live to regret not having the political balls to enter a Customs Union in his first terms, then re-entry into the Single Market in his second term.

The whole Brexit issue is boring. Too much was made of the political side - it had f**k all effect on the daily life of ordinary people, but economically the Leave campaign got it spectacularly wrong, and that is the important part.

Labour need to start talking about Brexit because it is Farage's Achilles Heel, and if they carry on ignoring the elephant in the room they will sleepwalk into Opposition.

Let's see how the first year pans out.

If Labour can't create reasons for hope then any talk of rejoining will be presented as desperation.

The wicket is sticky for whoever is in charge right now.

Noisy tories are trying to present Starmer in the same was some on NSC are trying to present Fabby (worst PM/Manager in the history of the universe). And the chancellor is just a middle aged school girl in a lolly pop shop with too few pennies in her purse. Etc.

There is no appetite for Rejoin yet.
And the reasons for appetite, when reasons arise, could be cast as labour failure to make Brexit work, the catch 22 paradox.

(and I am in favour of as swift return, so I'm not a Brexitty twat)

 

[nicko31]

So, with £400 Billion already pissed up the wall, only another £4-500 Billion written off GDP until anyone does the sensible thing and stops us punching ourselves in the face whilst chasing a £22B black hole
It's just lucky that the British economy is in such a brilliant state



And, on the subject of Tice, that'll be the bloke who spends most of his time in Dubai where his girlfriend, the delightful Isabel Oakeshott is now chasing the money, and in doing so, makes his mate Farage look like a good local MP giving full and extensive support to his constituents

The arsonists that burnt down the housing estate and now in property development and want to be trusted.

Very little detail on the offer, ie will the properties have any windows or doors.

 

[Cordwainer]

Just vile.

And utterly unsurprising from a look at me MP. The attitude of all vulnerable people need is a jolly good taking to speaks volumes of Tice et al.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Let's see how the first year pans out.

If Labour can't create reasons for hope then any talk of rejoining will be presented as desperation.

The wicket is sticky for whoever is in charge right now.

Noisy tories are trying to present Starmer in the same was some on NSC are trying to present Fabby (worst PM/Manager in the history of the universe). And the chancellor is just a middle aged school girl in a lolly pop shop with too few pennies in her purse. Etc.

There is no appetite for Rejoin yet.
And the reasons for appetite, when reasons arise, could be cast as labour failure to make Brexit work, the catch 22 paradox.

(and I am in favour of as swift return, so I'm not a Brexitty twat)

In four years if Labour are behind in the polls, they may see it as "nothing to lose" and promise a re-referendum on Brexit if they are elected.

 

[Scappa]

Despite the fact that Reform MPs are always wanging on about immigration, not one of them could be arsed to turn up for the Border Security Bill debate last night. Probably too exhausted after a hard day cosplaying at being farmers, poor little lambs.
It's almost as though they use immigration to rile up the dingbats, while really being in it to reduce taxes and regulations for themselves and their donor's

 

[SouthSaxon]

Delightful chap

“The whole of main railways west of London”

Ah, did poor Richard miss out on his pre-flight champers at Heathrow? Diddums.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In four years if Labour are behind in the polls, they may see it as "nothing to lose" and promise a re-referendum on Brexit if they are elected.

I suspect they will see that as everything to lose.

My recollection when we joined was it took more than a decade of wrangling with the common market to be allowed to be considerted. De Gaul had opposed our membership earlier.

Labour would need to sell the idea to the EU first (which would be called out as 'sneaky').

I can't see how they can lead on this unless there is a national clamour to rejoin.

And if there is this would mean that the economy had tanked. If so Labour would be blamed.

So it is catch 22 all round for labour.

 

[The Clamp]

You are spot on.

The facts are - economically - we were outside the EEC, we judged we'd be better off in, we joined, we WERE better off.

Then an unelected charlatan persuaded Britain to leave and - surprise, surprise, we were worse off economically - just like we we worse off pre 1973 when we were outside the EEC.

We appear to be wasting time delaying the inevitable of rejoining for no good reason. Starmer will wring his hands about growth for the rest of this Parliament, and he will live to regret not having the political balls to enter a Customs Union in his first terms, then re-entry into the Single Market in his second term.

The whole Brexit issue is boring. Too much was made of the political side - it had f**k all effect on the daily life of ordinary people, but economically the Leave campaign got it spectacularly wrong, and that is the important part.

Labour need to start talking about Brexit because it is Farage's Achilles Heel, and if they carry on ignoring the elephant in the room they will sleepwalk into Opposition.

Starmer will not be the PM to take us back into the EU.

He doesn’t have the balls or the personality to carry off such a bold move .

More is the pity .

 

[Machiavelli]

And that's despite record low ratings for Starmer as a PM. We can assume that the public isn't exactly enthralled with anything on offer currently. Now why might there be this pervasive and enduring malaise?

 

[Machiavelli]

You only have to look at language such as this, the words and actions from Trump and his cronies and, dare I say some comments on here, to see that this kind of language and these opinions are becoming more and more mainstream/acceptable all the time. There is a certain section of society that feel emboldened to speak out like this – for whatever reason – which I personally think is quite a sad state of affairs. But then a lot of people are inherently selfish, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Twats.

Agree with you but rather than being selfish, I'd say they're just deeply unpleasant.

 

[hart's shirt]

We appear to be wasting time delaying the inevitable of rejoining for no good reason. Starmer will wring his hands about growth for the rest of this Parliament, and he will live to regret not having the political balls to enter a Customs Union in his first terms, then re-entry into the Single Market in his second term.

Labour need to start talking about Brexit because it is Farage's Achilles Heel, and if they carry on ignoring the elephant in the room they will sleepwalk into Opposition.

Starmer keeping a straight face whilst talking about growth whilst not doing anything to remove any part of the Brexit ball and chain is beyond parody. You're in government now, not fighting for votes. You've got a massive majority, so take some massive action. Serve the nation, not self-preservation.

Yes, failure to address the 'boring' elephant in the room with the resulting failure to bring growth and improve the lot of the many will play into Reform's hands. Releasing a few videos trying to look tough on immigration isn't likely to be appealing enough to be heard over the siren call of populism.

Grasp the nettle of Brexit and Reform will be politically emasculated. When it comes to preserving Labour's political power, attack will be the best defence.

Time to collectively admit the nation's mistake, bite the bullet and reverse the direction immediately as a matter of national economic necessity.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I suspect they will see that as everything to lose.

My recollection when we joined was it took more than a decade of wrangling with the common market to be allowed to be considerted. De Gaul had opposed our membership earlier.

Labour would need to sell the idea to the EU first (which would be called out as 'sneaky').

I can't see how they can lead on this unless there is a national clamour to rejoin.

And if there is this would mean that the economy had tanked. If so Labour would be blamed.

So it is catch 22 all round for labour.

It was more than a decade as we were part of EFTA since 1960.
I suspect Labour could ‘sell’ EFTA to the public as just a trade deal and shove full EU membership down the queue for quite a few years. After all, we have all the video clips of Tories, and even Vote Leave claiming Nobody was talking about leaving the Single Market.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Talking of Farage, the TUC have played a blinder in Clacton. More of this please.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Agree with you but rather than being selfish, I'd say they're just deeply unpleasant.

Well yeah. One tends to lead to the other in a lot of cases.