[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[jcdenton08]

There was an inquiry in 2022 - https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...e-independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-abuse

Jess Phillips asked the council to commission a local inquiry, rather than national one

Why, when this is a national issue? The Tories did f*** all to address this in any serious way, it’s given ammunition to the far right. Surely in the interest of transparency and learning lessons about safeguarding following the hundreds of convictions of child sexual abusers perpetrated by gangs in Oldham, Rochdale, Bristol, Telford, Huddersfield and Rotherham (where victims numbered over 1,400 alone), a public inquiry is in the national interest.

 

[Springal]

Why, when this is a national issue? The Tories did f*** all to address this in any serious way, it’s given ammunition to the far right. Surely in the interest of transparency and learning lessons about safeguarding following the hundreds of convictions of child sexual abusers perpetrated by gangs in Oldham, Rochdale, Bristol, Huddersfield and Rotherham (where victims numbered over 1,400 alone), a public inquiry is in the national interest.

Predictable response from you. What difference are you expecting from what was produced in 2022 and running a public inquiry now? I’ll give you some time to read the 2022 reports

 

[jcdenton08]

Predictable response from you. What difference are you expecting from what was produced in 2022 and running a public inquiry now? I’ll give you some time to read the 2022 reports

Professor Alexis Jay has spoken out to say how frustrated they are that none of the ten recommended steps had been put into action following the publication of their report. Clearly more needs to be done, any way you spin it politically.

 

[Bodian]

Why, when this is a national issue? The Tories did f*** all to address this in any serious way, it’s given ammunition to the far right. Surely in the interest of transparency and learning lessons about safeguarding following the hundreds of convictions of child sexual abusers perpetrated by gangs in Oldham, Rochdale, Bristol, Telford, Huddersfield and Rotherham (where victims numbered over 1,400 alone), a public inquiry is in the national interest.

Because there has already been a national overarching inquiry. The recommendations have yet to be acted upon. What would be the point/purpose of another one when there has already been one? What new would there be to find out / recommend?

Ex-chief prosecutor rejects Musk’s calls for new child abuse inquiry

Nazir Afzal and police whistleblower Maggie Oliver say previous lengthy inquiries were not acted upon

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bodian]

Professor Alexis Jay has spoken out to say how frustrated they are that none of the ten recommended steps had been put into action following the publication of their report. Clearly more needs to be done, any way you spin it politically.

Yes. But surely that is to implement the recommendations from the previous inquiry, not to hold another one?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why, when this is a national issue? The Tories did f*** all to address this in any serious way, it’s given ammunition to the far right. Surely in the interest of transparency and learning lessons about safeguarding following the hundreds of convictions of child sexual abusers perpetrated by gangs in Oldham, Rochdale, Bristol, Telford, Huddersfield and Rotherham (where victims numbered over 1,400 alone), a public inquiry is in the national interest.

There are many more which Yaxley-Lennon didn’t highlight for some reason.

 

[jcdenton08]

Because there has already been a national overarching inquiry. The recommendations have yet to be acted upon. What would be the point/purpose of another one when there has already been one? What new would there be to find out / recommend?

Ex-chief prosecutor rejects Musk’s calls for new child abuse inquiry

Nazir Afzal and police whistleblower Maggie Oliver say previous lengthy inquiries were not acted upon

www.theguardian.com

People want to mock and vilify those who are drawn to the far right over their hate speech, but don’t listen to people’s concerns and unhappiness when nothing changes about an ongoing issue.

“We keep doing the same thing which isn’t working, I can’t understand why people are looking for extreme alternatives!”.

Some of the comments on here directed at me, a social moderate liberal and fiscal conservative, are enough to drive anyone to the far right frankly.

 

[jcdenton08]

There are many more which Yaxley-Lennon didn’t highlight for some reason.

I never said anything about race and I can’t stand Yaxley Lennon and his band of thugs and morons, or Farage the shit stirring grifter, or Trump, or Musk or anyone else people try and lump me in with because I disagree with them.

The vast majority child sexual offences are committed by white people (because the majority of people in the country are white people), and I want them all banged up.

In 2022 the Asian ex head of the CPS had to personally overturn a decision not to prosecute the Rochdale gangs for political/racial sensitivity reasons despite an enormous number of vulnerable victims and evidence.

Surely we need to learn from this. Surely safeguarding children’s safety is the priority.

 

[Motogull]

Musk spending 2 days throwing all sorts at Starmer & Jess Phillips. Some examples

Really shocking, but I cannot see that causing Farage to distance himself from Musk over that.

 

[Bodian]

People want to mock and vilify those who are drawn to the far right over their hate speech, but don’t listen to people’s concerns and unhappiness when nothing changes about an ongoing issue.

“We keep doing the same thing which isn’t working, I can’t understand why people are looking for extreme alternatives!”.

Some of the comments on here directed at me, a social moderate liberal and fiscal conservative, are enough to drive anyone to the far right frankly.

But your question was basically 'why is there not going to be a national public inquiry?'

All I can see is me and other posters providing you with the reasoning given - which is what you were after.


And have also added that a better thing to do would be to implement the previous findings. No-one's disagreeing that this should happen, but you weren't asking about that.

 

[jcdenton08]

Really shocking, but I cannot see that causing Farage to distance himself from Musk over that.

Farage thinks he’s backing the winning team so he’ll just do that shit eating grin like moron and agree with whatever they say

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I never said anything about race and I can’t stand Yaxley Lennon and his band of thugs and morons, or Farage the shit stirring grifter, or Trump, or Musk or anyone else people try and lump me in with because I disagree with them.

The vast majority child sexual offences are committed by white people (because the majority of people in the country are white people), and I want them all banged up.

In 2022 the Asian ex head of the CPS had to personally overturn a decision not to prosecute the Rochdale gangs for political/racial sensitivity reasons despite an enormous number of vulnerable victims and evidence.

Surely we need to learn from this. Surely safeguarding children’s safety is the priority.

I quoted you purely because it fitted with the posts I copied to here, not because I thought you said anything racist. The problem is partly the media, and mostly the internet keep perpetuating the idea that grooming gangs are Asian.

 

[jcdenton08]

But your question was basically 'why is there not going to be a national public inquiry?'

All I can see is me and other posters providing you with the reasoning given - which is what you were after.


And have also added that a better thing to do would be to implement the previous findings. No-one's disagreeing that this should happen, but you weren't asking about that.

Fair points. I just want the shitness to end. Labour’s communication again is toothless on this and it’s allowing the far right narrative to run roughshod.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Fair points. I just want the shitness to end. Labour’s communication again is toothless on this and it’s allowing the far right narrative to run roughshod.

I agree. Culture wars are ramping up, and I fear for this country.

 

[jcdenton08]

I quoted you purely because it fitted with the posts I copied to here, not because I thought you said anything racist. The problem is partly the media, and mostly the internet keep perpetuating the idea that grooming gangs are Asian.

Many grooming gangs are Asian, specifically from Pakistan, focusing on girls aged 12-15 in care. But not exclusively. Child abusers are legion and from every background. Hell, just look at what famous rich rappers have been up to in America for decades. I’m sick of the f***ing scum from all backgrounds.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Many grooming gangs are Asian, specifically from Pakistan, focusing on girls aged 12-15 in care. But not exclusively. Child abusers are legion and from every background.

The vast majority of child abuse is in the home, and within a family.
The reason I posted the tweet was to show 12 areas where the grooming gangs were white.

 

[BadFish]

There has been a specialist task force set up to assist in preventing and bringing gangs to justice.

According to this, it has lead to 550 arrests and 4000 children being protected.

Grooming Gangs Taskforce arrests hundreds in first year

A dedicated police taskforce set up to bring down grooming gangs has supported police forces in England and Wales to make hundreds of arrests in its first year.

www.gov.uk

Surely the answer to this is to further fund inititives like this and to further fund protective services etc so they have the resources they need to do their jobs?

Is there any evidence of the recommendations from the last one being put into place?

 

[nicko31]

Is it too much to suggest if Musk keeps ramping up this sort of rhetoric he is endangering British MPs given we know there are sadly more than enough nutters out there intent on violence who hang on his every word?

We’ve had 2 MPs assassinated in the past decade

This can’t go on. UK government needs to give X 30 days to clean up its act or face sanction.

 

[jcdenton08]

We’ve had 2 MPs assassinated in the past decade

This can’t go on. UK government needs to give X 30 days to clean up its act or face sanction.

I’m not sure how much they can do policing the internet though

 

[cunning fergus]

The vast majority of child abuse is in the home, and within a family.
The reason I posted the tweet was to show 12 areas where the grooming gangs were white.

I don’t think anyone doubts that child sexual exploitation is not a general problem demographically. Sexually depraved adults will tragically target those children with whom they have trusted access, and that dynamic is as old as the hills.

The scale and underlying of sexual grooming of predominantly white working class girls by groups of predominantly men from Pakistan etc is in contrast not an old story. Its a new social phenomenon in our relatively new multi cultural society and there are factors connected to it that are deeply uncomfortable to those that adhere to the “diversity is strength” dogma.

In short, these sexually depraved men are not targeting females in their families but naïve and/or vulnerable young white girls, of an age where they should be protected. These girls are targeted because of the cultural difference they are growing up in whereas the perpetrators are taking advantage of that cultural difference,

These men understand this profound difference, in many court testimonies they reference the degeneracy of British culture, this is not the society those that want to buy the world a coke like to hear.

The scandal yet to be exposed by an inquiry of sufficient gravitas will be the level of state failure to protect these girls and its effort to keep the cultural issues under wraps.

We already know it, it just need to be hauled out into the light. The disregard the British state has for its citizens knows no bounds, and this episode of ignoring the mass rape of thousands of girls to protect social cohesion will be added to similar episodes like Hillsborough, the blood infection scandal and the recent post office scandal.

Plus ca change.