[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Eric the meek]

It's certainly going to be a challenge for Labour if they're coming over on pylons now.

To launch the project, they could parachute Boris in on a short-term contract to advise on a three word slogan around stopping the pylons.

 

[Zeberdi]

these are the usual arguments used against the licence: why should people pay it when they dont watch BBC, and it's a tax on having a TV. and it is a tax, being compulsory for TV ownership and enforced by state pubishable by imprisonment.
indeed, if it did rebrand the licence to a subscription and removed the legal enforcement, near all objection would evaporate. though since so much value comes from the wide range of services and non-commercial programming, general tax would seem suitable. or maybe a combination.

Well I don’t even own a TV - hate the bloody things personally but I’ll stick with the subscription model because it’s already there more or less anyway but at any rate it needs to remain a PBS

As for Farage, his obsessive desire to gain power on the back of popular ideas ( yep, just pick something the electorate wants to hear and run with it) is not only fantasy economics that would cost tens of billions a year on the public purse - it is in truth only a means to an end to get him elected - it is not what Farage is really about - he espouses a commitment to the conservative liberalism of Thatcherite Britain that saw communities destroyed and the NHS and other public services cripple under low taxation and spending cuts. Farage is all about shrinking even further the role of the State, tearing up regulations that protect everything from our environment to the food we eat and rewarding his city chums with even more tax cuts.

Dont be fooled by the tarring of Farage with the same brush as Le Pen and other far right European leaders - Farage does not espouse the big spend economics of Le Pen. Farage is a 60s boomer malcontent who is rallying against the social reforms of post Thatcherism and has far more in common with Trump than he does with the far right nationlism that’s gaining ground in Europe..

How can the people of Cack Town not understand that Reform UK‘s economic proposals would punish the very people that make up his political constituency?

 

[Bodian]

To launch the project, they could parachute Boris in on a short-term contract to advise on a three word slogan around stopping the pylons.

Like this you mean

 

[nevergoagain]

Well I don’t even own a TV - hate the bloody things personally but I’ll stick with the subscription model because it’s already there more or less anyway but at any rate it needs to remain a PBS

As for Farage, his obsessive desire to gain power on the back of popular ideas ( yep, just pick something the electorate wants to hear and run with it) is not only fantasy economics that would cost tens of billions a year on the public purse - it is in truth only a means to an end to get him elected - it is not what Farage is really about - he espouses a commitment to the conservative liberalism of Thatcherite Britain that saw communities destroyed and the NHS and other public services cripple under low taxation and spending cuts. Farage is all about shrinking even further the role of the State, tearing up regulations that protect everything from our environment to the food we eat and rewarding his city chums with even more tax cuts.

Dont be fooled by the tarring of Farage with the same brush as Le Pen and other far right European leaders - Farage does not espouse the big spend economics of Le Pen. Farage is a 60s boomer malcontent who is rallying against the social reforms of post Thatcherism and has far more in common with Trump than he does with the far right nationlism that’s gaining ground in Europe..

How can the people of Cack Town not understand that Reform UK‘s economic proposals would punish the very people that make up his political constituency?

Cack Town ?, how very patronising.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This has caused a few ripples with quite a few Reform supporters questioning having a Muslim onboard.

 

[Zeberdi]

Cack Town ?, how very patronising.

Seriously?

Who is it patronising towards? It is a fictitious town in a fictitious constituency.

Perhaps it’s Nuneaton or Crawley or King’s Lynn - we all have our own versions.

If you understood the demographic that is buying into Farage’s manipulative messaging, you would understand the reference to Cack Town.

 

[nevergoagain]

Seriously?

Who is it patronising towards? It is a fictitious constituency?

So it wasn't word play on Clacton then ?, seriously ?

I'll edit my post as well then as you seem to keep editing yours.

Whatever, insult me all you want, I don't believe you weren't referring to Clacton and are now trying to backtrack but I can't be bothered to engage with you any further as there's no point.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

This has caused a few ripples with quite a few Reform supporters questioning having a Muslim onboard.

Just Reform going after the pro Gaza vote

 

[Zeberdi]

So it wasn't word play on Clacton then ?, seriously ?

Go away you boring person. Of course it was a reference to places like Clacton that are socially deprived, have disproportionately high unemployment and high crime levels. It is exactly the sort of people in our socially deprived regions that Farage targets - preferably in areas with a predominantly white population so he doesn’t have to face a backlash from those he is discriminating against.

 

[nevergoagain]

Go away you boring person. Of course it was a reference to places like Clacton that are socially deprived, have disproportionately high unemployment and high crime levels. It is exactly the sort of people in our socially deprived regions that Farage targets - preferably in areas with a predominantly white population so he doesn’t have to face a backlash from those he is discriminating against.

No

 

[Zeberdi]

Just Reform going after the pro Gaza vote

A bit like Trump going after the Black vote - it backfired eventually.

 

[Eric the meek]

A timely reminder of the Reform constituencies:

Clacton, Skegness, Great Yarmouth, Ashfield (Notts) and South Basildon.

Hmmm.

 

[Peteinblack]

Cack Town ?, how very patronising.

You Farage/Reform supporters thrive on looking for things to be offended by and wallowing in your sense of victimhood.

Stop being such snowflakes, and develop some resilience (that's what you advise liberals and Wokies, isn't it?).

 

[Peteinblack]

A bit like Trump going after the Black vote - it backfired eventually.

Just when I thought I couldn't find Reform UK any more repugnant and racist.

They really are a pathetic bunch of bigots, losers, misfits, and social inadequates.

 

[TomandJerry]

Just when I thought I couldn't find Reform UK any more repugnant and racist.

They really are a pathetic bunch of bigots, losers, misfits, and social inadequates.

Every party has a racist following though of some type

 

[Peteinblack]

Every party has a racist following though of some type

Racism and Islamophobia are the whole rationale of Reform UK; it's the overwhelming or sole reason why a certain demographic supports them, and idolises Farage.

Ask a Reform UK voter which other Reform policies they support, beyond 'net zero immigration', and they'll probably look at you as if you're mad: "Er, like, you mean there are other policies?"

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Now - that is interesting. Oldies think it's left-wing, youngsters think it's right-wing.

Which suggests it's doing a grand job.

 

[nevergoagain]

You Farage/Reform supporters thrive on looking for things to be offended by and wallowing in your sense of victimhood.

Stop being such snowflakes, and develop some resilience (that's what you advise liberals and Wokies, isn't it?).

Well firstly, I'm no Farage or Reform voter so you can wind your neck in about that!.

What I don't like is people, especially on here who think their opinion is superior to everyone else, decry other views and then result to insults and tantrums when they get pulled up on it. Silly little wordplay games by adults are pathetic when discussing things of great importance and I'll call it out when I see it.

You'll see from my posts I don't resort to those insults (I don't think, and If I have then I was drunk I swear) but doesn't stop plenty of the usual suspects on these political threads from doing so. Yep, I get people have been incredibly annoyed/upset/affected by the Tories decisions/actions but that doesn't mean all Tory or other voters are far right, racist, Nazi's or even stupid just maybe have a different slant on things to you which you ought to be able to respect.

 

[Zeberdi]

Well firstly, I'm no Farage or Reform voter so you can wind your neck in about that!.

What I don't like is people, especially on here who think their opinion is superior to everyone else, decry other views and then result to insults and tantrums when they get pulled up on it. Silly little wordplay games by adults are pathetic when discussing things of great importance and I'll call it out when I see it.

You'll see from my posts I don't resort to those insults (I don't think, and If I have then I was drunk I swear) but doesn't stop plenty of the usual suspects on these political threads from doing so. Yep, I get people have been incredibly annoyed/upset/affected by the Tories decisions/actions but that doesn't mean all Tory or other voters are far right, racist, Nazi's or even stupid just maybe have a different slant on things to you which you ought to be able to respect.

So I’m guessing that is about me - wow - because I referred to a fictitious place called Cack Town? You got all uppity and upset for absolutely no reason then launch into a tirade about how everyone on these ‘political threads’ are calling Tory voters ‘nazis’ and ‘racists’ - . No one is insulting you or having a tantrum on here (except maybe you a little bit )

Maybe you would have been happier with ‘Chickentown’ (reference John Cooper Clarke but same thing) - I warn you though, you might find the language a little too offensive for your taste but hopefully you’ll get the references to social deprivation and the sort of angst that drives people to want radical change but that also makes them vulnerable to those that would manipulate them for ulterior purposes as I believe Nigel Farage is doing :

 

[nevergoagain]

So I’m guessing that is about me - wow - because I referred to a fictitious place called Cack Town? You got all uppity and upset for absolutely no reason then launch into a tirade about how everyone on these ‘political threads’ are calling Tory voters ‘nazis’ and ‘racists’ - . No one is insulting you or having a tantrum on here (except maybe you a little bit )

Maybe you would have been happier with ‘Chickentown’ (reference John Cooper Clarke but same thing) - I warn you though, you might find the language a little too offensive for your taste:

Calm down dear, not everything is about you.

I'll decline listening to Cooper Clarke thank you for posting though, he always annoyed me on 8 out of 10 ;-)