[Albion] Nice to see the team bonding during the winter break

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Taking the positives, that's the new stadium naming rights sorted. Can't wait to hear RR announce "Welcome to The N20 Arena, the magnificent home of Brighton And Hove Albion"

 

[Don Tmatter]

Last season’s winter break away/team bonding had little effect on performances maybe they’ll get more of a lift from this season’s.

 

[knocky1]

Shane Duffy is reported to have said that confidence within the team is still high.

 

[Napper]

Not fussed about it unless we put in a crap performance at Sheff Utd

 

[tip top]

Can't see the Guv'nor or the management being impressed with this.

They're not kids ffs, they're grown men that really should know better.

I know most footballers aren't known to be the sharpest knives in the rack but just a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss surely.

Go and have a blow out by all means but just don't get carried away.

 

[seagurn]

I dare say there be plenty of balloons at sheffutd and palace now, or will they be the next thing on the banned list? Also reckon loads will start wearing masks that will look a bit wierd everyone looking like 'treatment ' in the stands and bugger the singing up .

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Confusion?

Was it HELIUM in the balloons or NITROS OXIDE?

Helium, being lighter than air, is used to make balloons float upwards. If you breathe in helium, when you talk, you get a funny voice for a few seconds.
Nitros Oxide, aka laughing-gas, is also used for pain relief - a few seconds of light-lightheadedness.

Either way: WHOOP-DE-FECKING-DO - pro-athletes or not, nothing to see here [whatsover]

 

[el punal]

Team bonding? Just as well it wasn’t glue sniffing otherwise you could expect a stuck up response.

 

[Hamilton]

.....so what ? Still not clear how a night out and (unless someone has something properly damaging) doing nothing is likely to have any lasting effect on health or fitness is going to negatively impact the next game.

Marginal gains ain't it.

I don't think you'll have ever found Jessica Ennis out on the pi$$ mid-season.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Why?

“Hippy crack” is less dangerous than alcohol, and “hysteria” led to the Government ban, a former drugs adviser to the Home Office has said.

Prof David Nutt, Head of the Centre for Neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College London, said the illegal substance nitrous oxide – also known as “laughing gas” – was far less toxic or addictive than wine or beer.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-dangerous-alcohol-former-government-adviser/

Edit - I see now that it is claimed they were inhalinh helium, which is completely harmless (at least unless you decide to breath it like air for 5 minutes, whence you asphyxiate). Anyway, still worth replying to you praise of Dave Nutt and his doings:

Nutt has a massive agenda. He correctly sneers at those who exaggerate dangers of 'recreational' drugs. However he does not seem to understand the risk-benefit relationship and has allowed his liberalism and promotion of personal choice to run riot. He thinks that because maybe only 1 or 2 people taking MDMA die each year when their water regulation goes haywire, the drug should be legal. By the same argument, the antihistamine for hay fever should still be legal because it only killed a few people (caused a cardiac arrhythmia) among the millions who took it. Once a drug is made legal then the risks must be explained to the patient. A very very low risk of death for an antihistamine for hayfever deemed terfenadine way to risky, especially with other drugs available. Can you imagine terfenadine still legal, and your kiddy dying of ventricular arrhythmia when he or she took it to stave of a bit of hayfever? You'd say 'but the chemist told told me the risk of this was so low that....it wouldn't happen but.....it did, and that's wrong'.

So on what basis should nutty Dave's MDMA be legalised? What is the risk benefit ratio? What does it treat? Could you repackage it as a neutraceutical or food supplement like feverfew and other such 'medicines'? Only if you can show it is incredibly safe, usually based on 100s of years of folk-use. MDMA was synthesized in a lab in California in the early 80s, and some rogue batches actually caused symptoms of Parkinson's disease, and the rogue product, MPTP was used by people I know to model Parkinson's in rats for research purposes. Nutty Dave's championing of it is bonkers.

Nutt also thinks cannabis should be legal. He is likely to get his way on this - the tide has turned. However there is certainly a small percent of the polulation who will develop psychosis with cannabis, and they won't know till they get it. Nutt's algorithm is shown below. I am a pharmacologist and there is no way I would use that to direct my recreational drug taking (were I still a recreational etc - not at my age).

Nitrous oxide? Its legal status seems ambiguous, but you can buy it on ebay! - as somthing to put bubbles in cream - lol! The pharmacology is complex and as a 'medicine', nitrous oxide should be controlled. It is nothing like alcohol in any respect, aside from it's use as an intoxicant. Indeed you can't use nitrous oxide recreationally without seeking intoxication. That is not the case with booze. (Incidentally I made a comment in an earlier post conflating nitrous oxide with amyl nitrate - poppers - not thinking before typing - not the same thing at all).


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You can see it as an agenda, or view it as I do as a scientist concerned with logic. If Drug A has a danger rating of 100 and is legal, then if Drug B has a danger rating of just 10 there is no logic in it being illegal. In this case of course Drug A is alcohol. If you aren't going to legislate against alcohol then what on earth are you doing legislating against less dangerous recreational drugs?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

But...

They’re paid 30k a week in a short lived career. They’re paid to be athletes. That means they are not like other young blokes and that’s the deal.

They are also flirting with relegation.


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All that is true. But taking N2O has no impact on that, doesn't change that

 

[Hamilton]

All that is true. But taking N2O has no impact on that, doesn't change that

I've just got a funny feeling that 'taking N20' is not going to be on the Albion Performance Coach's list of things to do.

 

[dazzer6666]

Marginal gains ain't it.

I don't think you'll have ever found Jessica Ennis out on the pi$$ mid-season.

I’d quite like to have done though [emoji7]

 

[Garage_Doors]

25 in about 20 years. Not exactly a high risk activity like using an escalator.

Its still 25 Unnecessary self inflicted deaths

 

[Madafwo]

I can see the Hennessey defence being either it was helium, or the players had taken slight knocks in training and needed some pain relief.

 

[piersa]

Does it count as drug taking? Could there be repercussions, would the dope testers detect it as an illegal substance?

Are you serious?

 

[Weststander]

Why?

“Hippy crack” is less dangerous than alcohol, and “hysteria” led to the Government ban, a former drugs adviser to the Home Office has said.

Prof David Nutt, Head of the Centre for Neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College London, said the illegal substance nitrous oxide – also known as “laughing gas” – was far less toxic or addictive than wine or beer.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-dangerous-alcohol-former-government-adviser/

Edit - I see now that it is claimed they were inhalinh helium, which is completely harmless (at least unless you decide to breath it like air for 5 minutes, whence you asphyxiate). Anyway, still worth replying to you praise of Dave Nutt and his doings:

Nutt has a massive agenda. He correctly sneers at those who exaggerate dangers of 'recreational' drugs. However he does not seem to understand the risk-benefit relationship and has allowed his liberalism and promotion of personal choice to run riot. He thinks that because maybe only 1 or 2 people taking MDMA die each year when their water regulation goes haywire, the drug should be legal. By the same argument, the antihistamine for hay fever should still be legal because it only killed a few people (caused a cardiac arrhythmia) among the millions who took it. Once a drug is made legal then the risks must be explained to the patient. A very very low risk of death for an antihistamine for hayfever deemed terfenadine way to risky, especially with other drugs available. Can you imagine terfenadine still legal, and your kiddy dying of ventricular arrhythmia when he or she took it to stave of a bit of hayfever? You'd say 'but the chemist told told me the risk of this was so low that....it wouldn't happen but.....it did, and that's wrong'.

So on what basis should nutty Dave's MDMA be legalised? What is the risk benefit ratio? What does it treat? Could you repackage it as a neutraceutical or food supplement like feverfew and other such 'medicines'? Only if you can show it is incredibly safe, usually based on 100s of years of folk-use. MDMA was synthesized in a lab in California in the early 80s, and some rogue batches actually caused symptoms of Parkinson's disease, and the rogue product, MPTP was used by people I know to model Parkinson's in rats for research purposes. Nutty Dave's championing of it is bonkers.

Nutt also thinks cannabis should be legal. He is likely to get his way on this - the tide has turned. However there is certainly a small percent of the polulation who will develop psychosis with cannabis, and they won't know till they get it. Nutt's algorithm is shown below. I am a pharmacologist and there is no way I would use that to direct my recreational drug taking (were I still a recreational etc - not at my age).

Nitrous oxide? Its legal status seems ambiguous, but you can buy it on ebay! - as somthing to put bubbles in cream - lol! The pharmacology is complex and as a 'medicine', nitrous oxide should be controlled. It is nothing like alcohol in any respect, aside from it's use as an intoxicant. Indeed you can't use nitrous oxide recreationally without seeking intoxication. That is not the case with booze. (Incidentally I made a comment in an earlier post conflating nitrous oxide with amyl nitrate - poppers - not thinking before typing - not the same thing at all).


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Very interesting, thank you. Informative first graphic.

I was aware of Nutt’s views on LSD, Cannabis and Ecstasy, and I thought about posting. But far better coming from you. Much of his argument is that alcohol and tobacco are more harmful. Many of us kind of knew that already, but it’s nigh on impossible to prohibit something hitherto legally taken by half the population (see the US Prohibition).

 

[Superphil]

Are you serious?

I just asked a question, a vicks inhaler is a fail on some dope tests, as are some asthma inhalers, the list of banned substances has plenty of innocuous sounding products so I just asked whether this could fall foul of the same.

 

[symyjym]

If they were inhaling straight out of the canister or butane gas instead it would be concerning. The Argus gives the impression that the club is up in arms, but is this over privacy or the balloons?

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

It's more the mindset that is concerning than risks associated with ballooning. Be professional, healthy and restful athletes before the relegation battle recommences. Also not good for the clubs corporates re branding.