News of the world, biggest mess up.

[Barrel of Fun]

As of April 2011

(1) The Sun: 2,783,110, -5.85
(2) Daily Mail: 2,100,300, 0.2
(3) Daily Mirror: 1,172,785, -5.40
(4) Daily Star: 692,157, -15.90
(5) The Daily Telegraph: 639,578, -6.39
(6) Daily Express: 635,576, -4.53
(7) The Times: 449,809, -11.28
(8) Financial Times: 372,076, -3.75
(9) Daily Record: 312,566, -5.57
(10) The Guardian: 263,907, -8.66
(11) The Independent: 180,743, -3.92
(12) i:161,151, NA
(13) Racing Post: 57,376, -7.91
(14) The Herald: 49,764, -9.37
(15) The Scotsman: 40,524, -10


National Sundays

(1) News of the World: 2,606,397, -10.3
(2) The Mail on Sunday: 1,944,724, -1.94
(3) Sunday Mirror: 1,097,434, -2.37
(4) The Sunday Times: 1,018,215, -10.3
(5) Sunday Express: 601,666, 4.76
(6) The Sunday Telegraph: 509,557, -0.12
(7) The People: 480,196, -9.42
(8) Sunday Mail: 366,674, -8.03
(9) Sunday Post: 310,187, -7.15
(10) Daily Star Sunday: 309,237, -11.19
(11) The Observer: 302,975, -8.68
(12) Independent on Sunday: 154,227, -8.28
(13) Scotland on Sunday: 50,626, -12.26
(14) Sunday Herald: 29,578, -30.19

 

[Lady Whistledown]

As of April 2011

(1) The Sun: 2,783,110, -5.85
(2) Daily Mail: 2,100,300, 0.2
(3) Daily Mirror: 1,172,785, -5.40
(4) Daily Star: 692,157, -15.90
(5) The Daily Telegraph: 639,578, -6.39

The old Liverpool campaign's going well then.

 

[readingstockport]

If any of you haven't done so yet can I ask that you please go here

Avaaz - 48 hours to stop Murdoch's UK media takeover

and use the form provided to email Jeermy Hunt and Cameron. I wrote my own message pointing out that news international executives have illegally piad police and lied to parliament - repeatedly.

The more who write to them the better the chance this despicable old man and his corrupt employees can be stopped from gaining ownership of bskyb.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

The old Liverpool campaign's going well then.

Quite!

Am I right in thinking that the Sun is 20p? Assuming the average of 2.7m copies, five days a week, they take £140m pa during the weekdays on sales alone. Not including costs to newsagents and advertising revenue. No wonder they can make stuff up and then settle out of court.

 

[Woodchip]

Quite!

Am I right in thinking that the Sun is 20p? Assuming the average of 2.7m copies, five days a week, they take £140m pa during the weekdays on sales alone. Not including costs to newsagents and advertising revenue. No wonder they can make stuff up and then settle out of court.

6 days a week. It's a Mon-Sat paper. That makes £168.5m.

 

[The Spanish]

can rebekah wade go to jail over this? i get the feeling someone is going to get hung out to dry the dirty digger must be in negotiation over who is being sacrificed with cameron as we speak.

 

[Woodchip]

Ford, Lloyds, Co-op, Vauxhall, Virgin Holidays and Halifax have all pulled their advertising from NOTW. Ouchy!!

 

[Lady Whistledown]

can rebekah wade go to jail over this? i get the feeling someone is going to get hung out to dry the dirty digger must be in negotiation over who is being sacrificed with cameron as we speak.

Would fall under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, which covers, amongst other things, the interception of telecommunications.

As I understand things, it can be tried summarily (magistrates' court), or, more likely in this case given the high profile nature of the reports, on indictment, in which case it would attract a maximum custodial sentence of two years.

The RIPA stuff is all very dull and heavy on legal-speak, but on reading it initially it would appear to apply specifically to the person doing the interception/hacking. But I think there would be scope for some kind of conspiracy or aiding & abetting offences to have been committed by those at the head of the organisation

 

[KZNSeagull]

Would fall under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, which covers, amongst other things, the interception of telecommunications.

As I understand things, it can be tried summarily (magistrates' court), or, more likely in this case given the high profile nature of the reports, on indictment, in which case it would attract a maximum custodial sentence of two years.

The RIPA stuff is all very dull and heavy on legal-speak, but on reading it initially it would appear to apply specifically to the person doing the interception/hacking. But I think there would be scope for some kind of conspiracy or aiding & abetting offences to have been committed by those at the head of the organisation

According to the guy reviewing the papers on Sky News this morning (didn't catch his name, but he used to be deputy editor at the NOTW several years ago), apparently it is very easy to do ("almost childplay", he described it as) and has been used by certain organisations for years. That would imply that it is pretty much standard practice, so those in charge must know it goes on and even if they don't, is there scope for prosecuting them under implied responsibility (if there is such a thing under the law)?

At the very least, Rebecca Brooks should not "consider her position" - she should either be sacked for incompetence or resign immediately as she clearly has no control over her staff.

 

[The Spanish]

Would fall under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, which covers, amongst other things, the interception of telecommunications.

As I understand things, it can be tried summarily (magistrates' court), or, more likely in this case given the high profile nature of the reports, on indictment, in which case it would attract a maximum custodial sentence of two years.

The RIPA stuff is all very dull and heavy on legal-speak, but on reading it initially it would appear to apply specifically to the person doing the interception/hacking. But I think there would be scope for some kind of conspiracy or aiding & abetting offences to have been committed by those at the head of the organisation

cheers edna good stuff.

the private eye has had it no question, it will be interesting to see if they go for a name as the country really is rumbling over this one. without pushing my luck do you really think coppers would have been taking backhanders for this sort of thing?

 

[Seagull27]

At least we know the Argus is safe. Naylor can't be phone hacking anyone, he gets most of his info from here.

 

[Manx Shearwater]

The old Liverpool campaign's going well then.

Erm, what's your point here?

The circulation of the Sun on Merseyside before Hillsborough was approx 300,000.

Since then, and even now, the circulation is about 8,000.

 

[Woodchip]

cheers edna good stuff.

the private eye has had it no question, it will be interesting to see if they go for a name as the country really is rumbling over this one. without pushing my luck do you really think coppers would have been taking backhanders for this sort of thing?

From Auntie Beeb...

1259:
The commissioner of the Metropolitan Police has confirmed that his force has received documents from the News of the World that suggest "inappropriate" payments were made to officers. Sir Paul Stephenson says the material indicates that a "small number" of officers were involved.

 

[Falkor]

1259: The commissioner of the Metropolitan Police has confirmed that his force has received documents from the News of the World that suggest "inappropriate" payments were made to officers. Sir Paul Stephenson says the material indicates that a "small number" of officers were involved.

nice

 

[bhaexpress]

Ford, Lloyds, Co-op, Vauxhall, Virgin Holidays and Halifax have all pulled their advertising from NOTW. Ouchy!!

Great, I wonder how many people will not buy a copy this Sunday.

 

[The Spanish]

Great, I wonder how many people will not buy a copy this Sunday.

i need to find out how many nigerians are being flown over by lear jet to get their toenails cut so this is tricky.

seriously i hope it holes them below the waterline. across the board we read shit in this country its not just the sun and the mail.

 

[Silverhatch]

can rebekah wade go to jail over this? i get the feeling someone is going to get hung out to dry the dirty digger must be in negotiation over who is being sacrificed with cameron as we speak.

This is absolutely happening. Someone's going to swing and it has to be someone big enough to take the heat off NI getting Sky. They might even have to consider sacrificing NOTW to get some semblance of respectability back into News Int/Corp. If this advertiser pull out starts to cross media, then they really will be f***ed.

 

[El Presidente]

 

[Lady Whistledown]

cheers edna good stuff.

the private eye has had it no question, it will be interesting to see if they go for a name as the country really is rumbling over this one. without pushing my luck do you really think coppers would have been taking backhanders for this sort of thing?

I'm not really sure. There is talk on the BBC website and also in the Guardian report of something to do with payments to police, which I can't work out. That obviously sounds like something quite dodgy to say the least, but none of the media seem to be making much of it. I'm not sure what legitimate purposes the NOTW or any other newspaper might have for making payments to the police: it's not as though they should be disclosing much to journalists?

As for individual coppers, I have no idea, but it's like any job isn't it, you're always going to get a few that let the side down. Personally speaking there's no way on earth I'd be taking cash from a journo in relation to any sort of investigation- even the local ones can be a complete nuisance when you're trying to deal with something (and yes, I appreciate they have a job to do too) so I'm not exactly in favour of helping them out. I would be hugely disappointed if I thought any police officer was passing on information pertaining to the parents of Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman, or Milly Dowler, that would be appalling.

The other interesting element to this story is that, as people have said, if it's that easy to do, then you can bet your bottom dollar the NOTW aren't the only ones who've been at it over the years. There are going to be some nervous people around tonight.

 

[drew]

Not sure why people seem to be slating just the NOTW and The Sun. It's the parent company that is the major threat.

The current situation is that whilst Rebekah Brooks was the news editor, reporters employed a private investigator to hack into the voicemail of Millie Dowler. Her statement today claims it is inconceivable that she would know about this. Exactlay how is it inconceivable. These people were under her direct control. She is now the CEO of News International, the parent company of NOTW and the Sun, and itself, a subsidiary of Murdochs News Corp. It is clear that she is well regarded by Murdoch so he will do all in his power to protect her and, in doing so, his organisation. There are likely to be sacrificial lambs lower down the pecking order. We have already seen how their Royal Correspondent was cut adrift and at that time NOTW claimed he was just one bad egg in the basket. How they lied to us then and how they are lying to us now.

Every utterance from Cameron at the moment seems to stink of damage limitation as does that of News Corp.

However, whilst the hacking is abhorrent, the worst issue is that of the corruption of the police. This was going on some time ago and you wonder to what rank have some of these officers risen to now. There was a suggestion that officers undertaking the original investigation may have had their phones hacked. Why. Could it be that corrupt officers were seeking to protect themselves. The reporter on 5Live today said the most he had paid for one story was £30,000 and implied this was to the Police, a payment that would have had to have been sanctioned by his editor.

You have to wonder whether because of this element of NOTW activities, the original Police investigation was brushed under the carpet and it also brings into question which organisation can be entrusted with carrying out a transparent and thorough investigation.

I am for a free press but all to often they have shown they are incapable of regulating themselves and this will probably change. Also, if we get anything approaching a proper investigation, it raises the question how far up the tree, both in respect of the media and politically, will we see prison terms and resignations.

People bang on about a Police state but it is the media in it's various guises that has the true power over all of us.