New teachers in huge debt when leaving Uni.

[Murray 17]

It would be nice if more of them could spell and add up.We always get the fact that parents don't help the teachers,well excuse me but if I start doing their job when I get home then I would be working from 8.00 until 21.30 or more.Surely if you are paid to teach that is what you should do.

Our point OAP is that yes we are paid to teach but when you get disruptive children, and some really don't want to learn or cooperate, a school's next and last option is to involve the parents. If they won't back you up with either sanctions at home or encouragement for the child, there is nothing more you can do unless they are violent towards you at which point they can be excluded. We are not asking people to do our job for us, just let us/help us do our job.

 

[mona]

Well , there seem to be a lot of Albion fans who work at the chalk face. Lets hope we get Falmer as it would be an appropriate use of land. The Falmer "Village" second home owners/university wasters shouldn't feel so threatened by us then.

 

[bhaexpress]

There's various points here. On the whole I'm in sympathy with the teachers. I didn't really appreciate what a job they do here until I got some first hand experience of the AMerican education system through my step kids and their friends.

There are obviously money issues and frankly I don't by the long holiday thing as I know that most teachers do a lot of work in their 'spare' time.

The thing that gets me though is the fact that so many parents expect teachers to take shit of their little darlings and then get upset when the teachers tire of being sworrn at, threatened and somethings physically abused. The kids do so safe in the knowledge that f*** harm will come to them as they're 'misunderstood'.

In the US they have draconian punishments (which don't work believe me). They don't have coporal punishment but they hand out suspensions at the drop of a hat. They also will put kids on probabtion for very trivial transgressions (smoking in school is one. Cursing a yeacher is another). Then they have their boot camps which they frequently use. At the end of the day the kids still don't get and education but they do develope an unhealthy contempt for authority.

Whilst the government wants everybody to get a decent education (it helps massage the unemployment figure) they don't seem to want to encouage people to help them with this aim.

At a time when so many students are studying for degrees in subjects that they will never use in a work environment at least teachers are studying for something that pretty much eveybody in the country benefits from. To this end they should be encouraged and rewarded accordingly.

 

[El Presidente]

The problem is if students get to university they realise it is nearly impossible to fail a degree or get kicked out (Dwayne excepted) and so a significant minority of them (about 30% on my degree course) just arse about for a few years racking up debts

 

[Rabeen]

I'm quiting central London and heading back to University to study a PGCE at Roehampton. I'm married to a teacher and have lots of experience in schools through her - my eyes are wide open to the problems faced by teachers, but absolutely can't wait to get started.

Got a great insight to others experience in school from what you all say, and it has reafirmed my plans. Looking forward to being a tax dodger for 11 months.....

 

[fatboy]

a significant minority of them (about 30% on my degree course) just arse about for a few years racking up debts

Summed me up in a sentence.

 

[kalinski]

i worked in the "real" world before i became a teacher (corporate sales) and it had nothing on the stress that teachers deal with.

I still love the job

Frankly to those "got no sympathy" posters KEEP PAYING THE TAXES and we'll continue to educate, police, social work, keep off the streets, parent etc etc all the chav scum that you won't deal with!

sorry to everyone else!

 

[oapdodge]

I actually think all teachers do a great job,never said otherwise.But been good winding them all up,shame Wilko didn't bite more.Anyone who can put up with my boy is doing a fantastic job,theatre of trees.Keep up all the good work teachers and I hope you all get a good pay rise.

 

[jonnyboylennon]

One of my best friends graduated in teaching 3 years ago.

He now teaches English, has been made second in the department.

He earns 25k a year with LOADS of holiday and the government pay off his student loan. All those hard done by stories from teachers are bollocks.

EVERYONE leave uni loads in debt.

 

[Wilko]

I actually think all teachers do a great job,never said otherwise.But been good winding them all up,shame Wilko didn't bite more.Anyone who can put up with my boy is doing a fantastic job,theatre of trees.Keep up all the good work teachers and I hope you all get a good pay rise.

I didn't bite more because I completely agree that loads of jobs have it hard not just teachers. I have nothing but respect for anyone that puts in hard work day after day whether they be a plumber, bricklayer, nurse, teacher etc etc.

As for Chris, I am sure he is a good lad really, if he winds you up you can just make him go red with reference to his internet activities !!!

 

[FG aka Football Genius.]

no one forces them to learn to teach and also so fvcking what students shoudpay for their own education after all its to benefir t themnever did me anie harm as i kan read and right very welly,

 

[bhaexpress]

Pity you couldn't afford to pay for an education FG.

 

[Dover]

I hated school and was one of those problem pupils. at the age of 12 I had enough of school, and I felt that I knew enough about the world. I left a Grammar school with no qualifications at all.

After several jobs, and the last one does not exist due to EU ruling, I decided I wold attempt to return to education. My parents were supportive, as I was then 24, and I commenced an access course in Ashford.

From there I completed my nurse training, and after seven years of being quaified my debts are slowly clearing.

That is not the point though. Due to the way education is free at source I was allowed to enter a job I love and move here. whien I was ready for eduction, I was allowed to re-enter the system, and with the help of some brilliant tutors form the access course in particular, I enjoyed, and do enjoy in return teaching the students on my ward.

Teachers do a valuable and varied job. I thank the education system we have in this country.

 

[tedebear]

I have a few teachers in my family - my Dad is a retired High School teacher in Australia and my sister a kindergarten teacher - my Uncle is a lecturer at Teachers college to mention a few...

The problem as I see it is that we live these days in such a blame culture that teachers and educators have to cover their arses and stick up for themselves so much and for such little pay that we loose the best ones to private business. Why can't teachers discipline children anymore - why do your homework as you know the teacher won't be able to go mad at you? Do we teach a rounded curriculum? Hardly - society has decided we can't teach about certain "touchy" subjects - religion, sex, politics etc - is this rounded?? I don't think so.....

Teachers are the future in my eyes - yet they get paid sod all and are the first to get blamed when the little rascals are out in the neighbourhood terrorising and being idiots for not being able to spell and hold decent conversations.

So the fact that teachers are leaving shcool with such debts - makes me wonder how many more are going to perservere - and thats the worry!

 

[Lammy]

Teaching is not to poor underpaid job it used to be. Out of everyone I know who left University my teacher friends are earning the most.

They have job security. Having been made redundant myself 2 years after leaving university I can tell you it is something that should not be taken for granted. They have fast track routes for promising teachers. You get a 1000 a year pay rise guarenteed for the first five years. That is without taking on any extra responsibilities. Head of year, Head of a subject, special needs coordinator etc. There is plenty of opportunity to move around in the profession so no excusses to say your job is dead end. They work long hours, this is true. My sister is a teacher and she works very long hours. However, other people work long hours too and get paid less and have a shitty pension. Not to mention the long holidays. Thinking of starting a family? Well look no further than becoming a teacher. Same holidays as your kids. And if you want to quit in order to spend time with you kids well teaching has got to be THE most flexible profession to accomodate this. Supply teachers do little or no planning and get paid £50 a lesson. You can pretty much chose which lessons you want to do. Also you will notice that teachers are one of the worst in the country for taking sickies due to the ridgid nature of their holidays.

Basically teaching is a profession much like any other. However, you are no longer badly paid and the perks are pretty good. All students leave Uni with debt. If you want to be a teacher then well done I'm sure it's very rewarding but please

STOP MAKING OUT LIKE YOU ARE THE MOST HARD DONE PEOLPE IN THE COUNTRY!!

You choose to be a teacher, no one made you. It's like the fire fighters. Was the salery a great suprise when they joined?

 

[tedebear]

I wasn't Lanny - I'm not a teacher - but all I see is anger at them for the lack of children these days who are properly educated - I believe our future rests on the education of our children - and think teachers far more important than their current status shows...

 

[Lammy]

I wasn't Lanny - I'm not a teacher - but all I see is anger at them for the lack of children these days who are properly educated - I believe our future rests on the education of our children - and think teachers far more important than their current status shows...

First of all. Who is Lanny?
Secondly, what status should we bestow on our teachers? Knighthoods? It's a job like any other. No job is more important than another has we need them all in order to make the world go around.

We need teachers to educate us, Police to keep us safe (ish), firemen to put out the flames, engineers to build the schools, cleaners to clean up, traffic wardens to stop idiots bloking the road and finally software engineers otherwise we wouldn;t even be having this conversation. Teaching is just a job and there should be no mythical status attached to it. I for one think they have reasonable wages and perks so the job is there, take it or leave it. We all have to deal with nonses in the public on a day to day basis.

 

[tedebear]

apologies for the typo - no offence intended...fingers quicker than brain...

I don't think our teachers need any status bestowed upon them - other than a little respect for what they do? I believe that their job is far more important than the lowly accountant that I am - yet I am respected and rewarded for the millions I've saved for my company and my sister is struggling to pay a mortgage?? I hardly see that as fair tis all - inequality to a certain extent.....

Not sure about the hours your friends who are teachers do but my sister just spent the first week of her holidays putting together a new curriculum for her school - not really a great holiday...

 

[Lammy]

Would that be the first week of her six week summer holiday or the first week of her two week easter holiday? Xmas holiday? half terms?

I get 23 days holiday a year. A teacher gets....


13 weeks I believe = 65 days!!!!

Your sister had the choice to become an accountant but decided to be a teacher instead. When she was making that decision I expect the deal teachers had was even worse than it is now!!

 

[bhaexpress]

Not sure about the hours your friends who are teachers do but my sister just spent the first week of her holidays putting together a new curriculum for her school - not really a great holiday...

Not the greatest of arguements there Tedebear, they do get longer holidays than most.