New teachers in huge debt when leaving Uni.

[JAMC]

A third of student teachers will leave university with debts of more than £15,000, a survey suggests.


Would you be a teacher?
What would you teach?

?

 

[Bwian]

Let me see now, would I be a teacher?

Loads of holidays
A short working day
A damn good pension scheme
Houses being made available at way below market value to attract teachers to certain areas
A decent salary after a few years....pretty reasonable to start with too

And all that's needed is a 'debt' of 15 grand which only gets paid back monthly according to how much you earn.

Nah-sounds too fcuking cushy for me!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Let me see now, would I be a teacher?

Loads of holidays
A short working day
A damn good pension scheme
Houses being made available at way below market value to attract teachers to certain areas
A decent salary after a few years....pretty reasonable to start with too

And all that's needed is a 'debt' of 15 grand which only gets paid back monthly according to how much you earn.

Nah-sounds too fcuking cushy for me!

All depends on where you teach though. I've met loads of ex-pat teachers in Asia. Cushy deal on rent, interesting travel and mainly teaching the ex-pat kids of stockbrokers and diplomats. I'd do that in a second.

But a school year in a run down comprehensive in an inner city and 15 grand debt? No ta.

 

[bigc]

I wouldnt teach down here, not at the moment

 

[Sea]

my housemates doing teaching at brighton uni at the moment and although there are quite a few teachers in the year there arent enough schools in the area for them to go and do their placements. I was thinking about doing teaching for a year when ive done my degree but i couldnt deal with all the lesson planning they have to do-its ridiculous!!

 

[poke]

i'm actually planning to apply for uni, and was thinking bout doing pe teaching.

 

[elbowpatches]

I have been teaching for 7 years and have only just managed to buy a house and settle all of my student debts. As for the job I know quite a few people who teach in Singapore on similar wages to my own but have rent, flights and relocation fees.

This means they can pay their mortgage at home whilst also having tenants. One person I went to uni with is rolling in it and thinking of purchasing another house. Mind you it is in South Wales.

Personally it has been a struggle with money and I really hate the fact that people think we finish at 3.30 every day and start at 9. That's bollocks, usually its a ten hour day with probably one 12 hour day a week at the school and then bringing marking home. Holidays, granted they are rather cushy but I would spend half of the holiday preparing work and recovering from the previous term.

But I love teaching and have recently gained promotion which means a little extra cash. In fact its the first time I've earned more than my other half.

 

[Murray 17]

Let me see now, would I be a teacher?

Loads of holidays
A short working day
A damn good pension scheme
Houses being made available at way below market value to attract teachers to certain areas
A decent salary after a few years....pretty reasonable to start with too

And all that's needed is a 'debt' of 15 grand which only gets paid back monthly according to how much you earn.

Nah-sounds too fcuking cushy for me!

This is either a wind-up or you know fcuk all about teaching.
I am leaving teaching after 11 years because:
I work 9 1/2 hours a day at school
I take work home in the evenings at least 3 times a week
I have to do approximately 4 hours work at the weekend
I have had to deal with abusive, violent children, parents who don't know the first thing about bringing up children and supporting teachers in matters of discipline and writing 35 school reports (each over an hour each) in my own time.

Yes the holidays are good, but we also have work to do during this time, and if you think that this makes up for all of the above, then you give it a go Bwian!

 

[elbowpatches]

This is either a wind-up or you know fcuk all about teaching.
I am leaving teaching after 11 years because:
I work 9 1/2 hours a day at school
I take work home in the evenings at least 3 times a week
I have to do approximately 4 hours work at the weekend
I have had to deal with abusive, violent children, parents who don't know the first thing about bringing up children and supporting teachers in matters of discipline and writing 35 school reports (each over an hour each) in my own time.

Yes the holidays are good, but we also have work to do during this time, and if you think that this makes up for all of the above, then you give it a go Bwian!

Agree with your comments, especially the bit about the bloody parents, but it is a shame you're leaving the profession. It has its good and bad days, the good days make it worth it.

 

[elbowpatches]

But before anyone mentions the good days being the holidays, I meant teaching days, which for me seem to be less and less due to meetings, observations of my newly qualified teacher and professional development. Further into your career, the less time spent in the classroom, now that doesn't make sense.

 

[king Wombat]

my wife is a student nurse, cos of the way they teach nursing these days,means shes on placement working in shifts for approx 9 months of the year. because they are on shifts they cant get a steady part time job.

sorry but i dont have a huge amount of sympathy for teachers, welcome to the real world where long hours, no respect etc is the norm.

 

[oapdodge]

Wait for Wilko's comments.
But why do teachers think they are a special case ?
Nurses work for not much and have gone through loads of training.
Engineers,surveyors most go through uni and run up debts.
Even Sales managers run up debts following football teams all round the country,we all have our own problems.Why should teachers expect special treatment ?

 

[El Presidente]

Anyone who enters the teaching profession does so with their eyes open. I don't do it for the money, but the job satisfaction far outweighs any of the shit. Admittedly I am teaching 18-25 year olds so not of the crap with the parents......... and the girls are gorgeous

 

[king Wombat]

have done a fair bit of training in my time. customer service girls are the best!!

 

[fatboy]

The standard of teaching in this country has gone downhill.

It seems you can become a teacher with any old shit degree from a shit uni if you are able to pass that teaching course.

Admittedly there are some good teachers though.

 

[elbowpatches]

Wait for Wilko's comments.
But why do teachers think they are a special case ?
Nurses work for not much and have gone through loads of training.
Engineers,surveyors most go through uni and run up debts.
Even Sales managers run up debts following football teams all round the country,we all have our own problems.Why should teachers expect special treatment ?

We don't expect special treatment, just want to put the record straight about how hard we do work. People think its an easy life, trust me it isn't, but the holidays are a bonus.

As for sales managers running up debts following football teams around the country, if you can't afford it don't go.

When I can't afford to go to a game, I don't go, its very simple.

 

[Wilko]

As many of you know I am a teacher at a college and can tell you that it is fuckin hard work. As someone mentioned above the lesson planning alone takes so much time it is crazy.

For every lesson you teach you HAVE to produce a lesson plan, learning objectives, a detailed outline of timings for every piece of work and an evaluation of the lesson. Now if you are teaching 5 lessons a day then imagine the workload. The positives are of course the long holidays.

As for the money, well I got given £660 per month free from Brighton and hove city council when I did my PGCE which I do not have to pay back. Also, if you stay in teaching for 10 years then the government wipe out any existing repayments/loans.

As for the job itself it is hard, hard work but perhaps one of the most rewarding and enjoyable jobs in the world. I teach 16-18 at a college and I love it, fantastic laugh and you build up a real rapport with the students.

My advice: DO IT, you will not regret it !!

 

[elbowpatches]

The standard of teaching in this country has gone downhill.

It seems you can become a teacher with any old shit degree from a shit uni if you are able to pass that teaching course.

Admittedly there are some good teachers though.

True, I only had to get two grade E's at A level to study at uni which I thought was awful, especially when I was predicted two A's and a C. However, when I got there the BEd students worked a lot harder than BA students. The shit was soon sifted out.

Now the government are offering 6K incentives to teach and just do the 1 year degree, students are doing it for another year at uni and not taking it seriously. I have two students coming into my school next term one of which is an almost failing student. If he is almost failing why is he still teaching?

That said, I have now become a mentor for newly qualified teacher and must say that the quality of teaching I have observed is quite high. That however is just one school.

 

[elbowpatches]

As many of you know I am a teacher at a college and can tell you that it is fuckin hard work. As someone mentioned above the lesson planning alone takes so much time it is crazy.

For every lesson you teach you HAVE to produce a lesson plan, learning objectives, a detailed outline of timings for every piece of work and an evaluation of the lesson. Now if you are teaching 5 lessons a day then imagine the workload. The positives are of course the long holidays.

As for the money well I got given £660 per month free from Brighton and hove city council when I did my PGCE which I do not have to pay back. Also, if you stay in teaching for 10 years then the government wipe out any existing repayments/loans.

As for the job itself it is hard, hard work but perhaps one of the most rewarding and enjoyable jobs in the world. I teach 16-18 at a college and I love it, fantastic laugh and you build up a real rapport with the students.

My advice: DO IT, you will not regret it !!

Glad you are enjoying it, the longer I have been teaching the more I have enjoyed it and become passionate about the profession. Didn't really think that would happen to be honest.

As for lesson plans for every lesson, I'm with you there, it is suprising how long it takes!!

Didn't realise all debts would have been wiped out if you stay in the profession for ten years. Must be a new thing cos I've now paid off my debts.

 

[Wilko]

The standard of teaching in this country has gone downhill.

It seems you can become a teacher with any old shit degree from a shit uni if you are able to pass that teaching course.

Admittedly there are some good teachers though.

The problem is Fatboy the government wants 50% of the population to have degrees, so that means more people in education, hence the need for more teachers - they cannot all be top draw !!

As for teaching itself quite often the qualifications you have are not the most important factor - You can have a masters and a PHD but not be able to communicate with people or sympathise with a hormonal 16 yr old girl crying because she thinks she is pregnant !!

Some of the most intelligent people on my PGCE course dropped out because they did not have the 'people skills' to relate to students or the patience/tolerance to deal with noisy, swearing, rude and offensive kids !