[Albion] New fan zone - "The Terrace"

[nickbrighton]

I agree but even small differences can help. It doesn’t mean the club should just give up and think it is impossible. They might not be able to improve the trains. Could they improve the park and ride so less use the train. I think they could if they really wanted to.

I think the club continually get criticised for the travel, when in reality there is very little they have control over. I do not think they have just given up, but in reality there is little else they can do. The council seem unable to provide anything resembling a proper park and ride scheme for the city , even the much heralded scheme starting this summer is just using existing car parks and existing bus routes, so basically its nothing. Until the council build a proper park and ride scheme, with a proper amount of car parking that could be utilised on match days I can not see any amount of tweaks is really going to help.
There will always be the issue of 30 000 people all wanting to leave and get on a bus, train within 15 mins of the match ending and that is simply not realistic .

 

[Right Back]

I still feel a proper review of park and ride could help. Has it been explored if it would help if more than one bus at a time was boarded. Could buses use the inside lane of the slip road. Have they got the traffic lights right which they control.
Everyone accepts it will be slow but there are some things that could be improved if there was will to do it.

 

[Driver8]

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[Driver8]

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[METALMICKY]

Build a massive park and ride on the edge of Lewes. They moaned and groaned about how the stadium would affect them, at least this way they can say they were right all along and who doesn’t want to be proved right? Win win.

Love your logic there! It could be named the Norman Baker park

 

[LANGDON SEAGULL]

 

[Change at Barnham]

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[Change at Barnham]

 

[BrightonCottager]

What planning would do it? 32000 leaving a stadium at the same time causes issues wherever the ground is. You say it's not the same elsewhere. Few have stations near to the ground. The walk to stations whether underground in London or overground helps to move people away. On reaching these stations often there's still a long wait. Parking at these grounds may be larger in number but often I've sat not moving for ages.

Good point, well made.

I overheard (Lord) Steve Bassam talking about the travel arrangements being part of the deal when the Falmer was granted planning permission.

When I've been persuaded to accept lifts from Fulham fans in Brighton, I find that there is no time saved in my return journey than if I've got the train. We get stuck in traffic getting to the A3.

If I get the train to a Saturday 3pm ko, I expect to walk through my door at 7pm ish. A 1945 midweek ko it's midnight.

 

[Wozza]

32000 leaving a stadium at the same time causes issues wherever the ground is. You say it's not the same elsewhere. Few have stations near to the ground. The walk to stations whether underground in London or overground helps to move people away. On reaching these stations often there's still a long wait. Parking at these grounds may be larger in number but often I've sat not moving for ages.

It's harder to disperse from The Amex than from the vast majority of stadiums.

People like to feel like they're moving (away) - not stuck in a queue.

Even at stadiums with infamous bottlenecks (Wembley; London Stadium) there are tricks which regulars get to know.

Tottenham Stadium is hideous but you can keep moving, and have options.

 

[Hometownglory]

This is a good idea. Like the shuttle buses at airports

No stops. Just direct from A to B and vice versa on a constant loop of double deckers or something. Don't want to go too deep into town otherwise the round trip becomes slower. It just needs to be central enough to appeal as an alternative to the train and easy connections to other transport links.

 

[Dave the OAP]

No stops. Just direct from A to B and vice versa on a constant loop of double deckers or something. Don't want to go too deep into town otherwise the round trip becomes slower. It just needs to be central enough to appeal as an alternative to the train and easy connections to other transport links.

The problem with Mill Hill is waiting for the first tranche of busses to come back if the traffic is bad holding them up.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

It's harder to disperse from The Amex than from the vast majority of stadiums.

People like to feel like they're moving (away) - not stuck in a queue.

Even at stadiums with infamous bottlenecks (Wembley; London Stadium) there are tricks which regulars get to know.

Tottenham Stadium is hideous but you can keep moving, and have options.

Disperse from the immediate area yes I agree there after much the same.

 

[BrightonCottager]

Disperse from the immediate area yes I agree there after much the same.

Perhaps some buses waiting in Moulsecoomb Way?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

No stops. Just direct from A to B and vice versa on a constant loop of double deckers or something. Don't want to go too deep into town otherwise the round trip becomes slower. It just needs to be central enough to appeal as an alternative to the train and easy connections to other transport links.

I'm liking that idea. Maybe a constant loop of double deckers that start at the Amex, go down Lewes Road, drop passengers off at the Bus Garage, then loop back round the Vogue Gyratory empty and back to the Amex. Bus lanes all the way, could be a pretty quick turnaround

 

[Official Old Man]

The problem with Mill Hill is waiting for the first tranche of busses to come back if the traffic is bad holding them up.

Which brings me back to a problem I spoke about when the Amex first opened and I used Lewes Road P&R. The left lane up the ramp leaving the A27 should be turned into a bus lane. Put in cameras the council could make money at the same time, either that or a copper at the top, either way it would get buses and coaches turned around quicker by maybe 8 mins. Problem then would be Brighton Buses would probably take two buses off the route.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

The club doesn't want to put more buses on because they have to pay for them. They only put the much needed extra park and rides on when the trains are really screwed. It's a pointless conversation.

The clubs only solution to this is to build a much bigger bar for people to pay 7 quid a pint in instead.

 

[brighton_tom]

even the much heralded scheme starting this summer is just using existing car parks and existing bus routes, so basically its nothing.

What is this?

 

[PeterOut]

I still feel a proper review of park and ride could help. Has it been explored if it would help if more than one bus at a time was boarded. Could buses use the inside lane of the slip road. Have they got the traffic lights right which they control.
Everyone accepts it will be slow but there are some things that could be improved if there was will to do

I still feel a proper review of park and ride could help. Has it been explored if it would help if more than one bus at a time was boarded. Could buses use the inside lane of the slip road. Have they got the traffic lights right which they control.
Everyone accepts it will be slow but there are some things that could be improved if there was will to do it.

Yesterday I queued for the Race Hill P&R bus after the game, as I regularly do. Having stayed to the final whistle, I was not at the front of the queue. There were still 5 or 6 buses waiting to be loaded as I queued. They loaded two buses at a time, as they usually do.
Those 5 or 6 buses then departed, and I was still in the queue.
There was then a delay of 30 min untill the next buses arrived. This was not due to a lack of buses being provided, but entirely due to the decisions of the man who controls the traffic lights.
The bus controller at the head of the queue confirmed, with significant frustration, that the plan is always to prioritise those buses and coaches (and the cars in the Director's car park) to allow them to leave. So the green lights are held in an extended pattern to allow vehicles exiting.
The result of this is that buses returning from the Mill Road and Race Hill P&R can not get back into the Amex to pick up, causing greater delays for those standing in the cold (thankfully no rain yesterday).
So, more buses will have little or no benefit. Similarly, a new P&R at the Level will have little impact.
I counted ten buses queuing down Falmer Road waiting to return to the Amex, once I finally got on the bus. They were all stuck in an almost stationary queue, because someone has made the decison to prioritise exiting coaches and cars.
This is just a small observation for those who are calling for more buses, more P&R sites etc. The T-junction at the end of Village Way is a significant problem. Untill that is optimised, providing more buses will simply cause more buses to be parked on the Falmer / Drove Road, or nortbound on the A27 waiting to be let back into the Amex pickup points.

 

[tigertim68]

I still feel a proper review of park and ride could help. Has it been explored if it would help if more than one bus at a time was boarded. Could buses use the inside lane of the slip road. Have they got the traffic lights right which they control.
Everyone accepts it will be slow but there are some things that could be improved if there was will to do it.

Shame they stopped using EDF , apart from the odd match , seemed to be working really well , must of taken the pressure off the other 2 P& R sites ,