maffew
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How about our youngsters dont do community service, dont go to do military and choose their options with parents guidance?
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[Politics] National Service
- Thread starter ditchy
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How about our youngsters dont do community service, dont go to do military and choose their options with parents guidance?
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
A former colleague was born in Greece to Greek parents who moved back to the uk when he was 2. His parents wanted to fully embrace Britain and so he never learned to speak greek. Fast forward 20 years and he got a letter, in Greek, which he was convinced told him to report for National Service. A couple more letters followed and so for 30 odd years he never went to Greece as he was convinced he would be arrested.
Finally he got his boss, who DID speak Greek to translate them and all they said was "As you live abroad you are excused".
Finally he got his boss, who DID speak Greek to translate them and all they said was "As you live abroad you are excused".
swindonseagull
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Having spent 30 years in the RAF I can assure you that conscripts ( forced teenagers ) would not be welcome or needed.
Maybe send them to some ' military camp' for a few months to teach them discipline but most would probably resent that.
As a profesional military neither the RAF,RN or Army need conscription.
Fitzcarraldo
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- Nov 12, 2010
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I am not sure. Looking at those numbers I suspect it would be very popular amongst that portion of the demographic.
It doesn't sound much fun to me. Funny that they are worried about the cost of it so they might send everyone home of an evening. I bet they would segregate it as well to make it really miserable.
Mixed battalions. South of France. Compulsory discotechque every night. People wouldn't want to leave.
No I was too side tracked by chopping the dick off your head
Hahahahahahahahaha!
Baldseagull
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I like the idea of a few months service for everyone, either in the forces or in the community. I would like community service for long term unemployed people too.
When I was growing up the threat of national service (yes, threat) was mooted every now and then to 'sort out' the 'long haired layabouts' and 'bolshie types'. Reactionary types (like my old man) had pleasant fantasies of whey-faced pseudo intellectual youth (like me) being bawled at by a Windsor Davies looky/soundy alikeies while tearfully attempting some press ups on a drizzle-spattered square.
But now that I'm old, and my knees are no longer what they were (which was never much to be fair) I am all in favour.
No but seriously, it would turn into an absolute shambols, with goodness knows how many exemptions, and just lowish paid white working class and African/West Indian ethnic youth (the bottom of the food chain) getting lumbered.
It will be interesting to see how br'er frog deals with all this. Badly I suspect. Mind you, it may work since their 'service' is bound to include copious amounts of poncing about, cordon bleu training, and a bit of can-can.
But now that I'm old, and my knees are no longer what they were (which was never much to be fair) I am all in favour.
No but seriously, it would turn into an absolute shambols, with goodness knows how many exemptions, and just lowish paid white working class and African/West Indian ethnic youth (the bottom of the food chain) getting lumbered.
It will be interesting to see how br'er frog deals with all this. Badly I suspect. Mind you, it may work since their 'service' is bound to include copious amounts of poncing about, cordon bleu training, and a bit of can-can.
Seasidesage
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While the thought of a load of snowflakes marching around a parade ground does amuse me somewhat. The reality is that it will create even more faux resentment to add to all of their other complaints. The Forces have better things to do as does our youth. The cost would be better spent elsewhere too.
worthingseagull123
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- May 5, 2012
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The original poster hasnt explained whether he would be willing to give up a period of his life for unpaid employment
SIMMO SAYS
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My Dad - now 85 - did his RAF National Service at Watchet in Somerset with Brian Clough.
He said he was a big head even then
He said he was a big head even then
AmexRuislip
Retired Spy 🕵️♂️
In an alternate world where people could take discipline, it would be a good idea IMO.
Bit for today's generation, the namby pamby brigade, who'll cry wolf everytime they were shouted at, I dont think with that it would.
Bit for today's generation, the namby pamby brigade, who'll cry wolf everytime they were shouted at, I dont think with that it would.
Creaky
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Works in Switzerland for both males and females - a referendum a few years back was something like 75% in favour.
Works in Israel - again for both males and females.
Creaky
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Why would it be unpaid?
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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For sure, I'm not going to disagree on that one but I was trying to show that there is a fair bit of support amongst younger voters, for voters that didn't voter for Brexit (I'm assuming almost all Lib Dems are Remainers) and that 1/3 of all UKIP voters (who all voted for Brexit) aren't in favour. Hence my comment about it being a bit more complicated than just supported by old white men.
I believe that national service was abolished precisely because of this: the military didn't want it as it diminished the effectiveness of the armed forces.
Iggle Piggle
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- Sep 3, 2010
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What an utterly crap idea. Why not get kids to do a one month compulsory IT course, it's more likely to be of use than running round a field. Its no more relevant than an enforced pottery club.
The point is we need kids to be interested in a range of topics, some will be more interested in some than others. Encourage them to do what interests them. Why force some to do something they will hate for a month? Still, what do you expect from a country that dreamt up the Maginot line. Onion wearing, Garlic munching twats.
The point is we need kids to be interested in a range of topics, some will be more interested in some than others. Encourage them to do what interests them. Why force some to do something they will hate for a month? Still, what do you expect from a country that dreamt up the Maginot line. Onion wearing, Garlic munching twats.
What is the supposed gain from this?
Voted for by people who'd already been forced to do National Service.
"Well if I had to do it..."
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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My question would be this.
What are the outcomes you are looking to achieve from this move and what is the evidence to show that those outcomes would be met?
My next question would be.
What alternatives for meeting these outcomes are there that the budget be put towards?
My guess is that the money would be better spent in the education system.
What are the outcomes you are looking to achieve from this move and what is the evidence to show that those outcomes would be met?
My next question would be.
What alternatives for meeting these outcomes are there that the budget be put towards?
My guess is that the money would be better spent in the education system.
studio150
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Given the question was for healthy males aged 17-21, it does seem somewhat silly that the lowest age band for respondents is 18-24 thereby there is no breakdown on those in the age band who would be required to undertake National Service. I would be very surprised if the 23% was evenly apportioned by each year between 18 and 24.