[Football] Nathan Jones **Joins Charlton 04/02/2023**

[Guinness Boy]

Reminds me of an incident back in the day (90s maybe?) when Southampton appointed a new manager from a lower division - can't remember the bloke's name, sorry. Anyway, at the time Southampton had a youngish player who'd got a couple of England caps - can't remember who that was either ...........................

But at training, on the new manager's first day, his greeting for the new manager was 'Hello, I'm ******* - I'm an England international, don't you know. Would you like my autograph?'

It's the way you tell 'em.

 

[Easy 10]

Reminds me of an incident back in the day (90s maybe?) when Southampton appointed a new manager from a lower division - can't remember the bloke's name, sorry. Anyway, at the time Southampton had a youngish player who'd got a couple of England caps - can't remember who that was either ...........................

But at training, on the new manager's first day, his greeting for the new manager was 'Hello, I'm ******* - I'm an England international, don't you know. Would you like my autograph?'

I can well imagine there is an element of football snobbery from players who have played at the highest levels, but who then find themselves in a dressing room with some bloke who only ever played at the arse end of the football league, and who's managerial track record takes in Luton and a failed spell at Stoke. Unless they fully buy in to him, then it won't take long for egos to take over. I'm not saying its right, but I expect thats often how it pans out.

Now Vincent Kompany can walk into a dressing room with next to no managerial experience. But he would command instant respect from players because of who he is, and his track record as an incredible player who's played at the very highest level, under the best of the best in terms of managers. That obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it does at least buy him some time with the players under his command. Unlike Jones / Potter making the step up. If it don't work quick, its likely not gonna work.

 

[Questions]

Reminds me of an incident back in the day (90s maybe?) when Southampton appointed a new manager from a lower division - can't remember the bloke's name, sorry. Anyway, at the time Southampton had a youngish player who'd got a couple of England caps - can't remember who that was either ...........................

But at training, on the new manager's first day, his greeting for the new manager was 'Hello, I'm ******* - I'm an England international, don't you know. Would you like my autograph?'

 

[wigman]

It will end in tears.

 

[el punal]

I can well imagine there is an element of football snobbery from players who have played at the highest levels, but who then find themselves in a dressing room with some bloke who only ever played at the arse end of the football league, and who's managerial track record takes in Luton and a failed spell at Stoke. Unless they fully buy in to him, then it won't take long for egos to take over. I'm not saying its right, but I expect thats often how it pans out.

Now Vincent Kompany can walk into a dressing room with next to no managerial experience. But he would command instant respect from players because of who he is, and his track record as an incredible player who's played at the very highest level, under the best of the best in terms of managers. That obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it does at least buy him some time with the players under his command. Unlike Jones / Potter making the step up. If it don't work quick, its likely not gonna work.

Hmm. Didn’t work for Steve Gerrard at Villa in the end. He did okay at Rangers - but then that’s a two horse race.
Patience is definitely not a virtue with most PL clubs as many aspiring managers have found out to their cost.

 

[Easy 10]

Hmm. Didn’t work for Steve Gerrard at Villa in the end. He did okay at Rangers - but then that’s a two horse race.
Patience is definitely not a virtue with most PL clubs as many aspiring managers have found out to their cost.

Indeed. The game is still littered with great players = shit managers.

Famously Wenger and Mourinho did f-all as players, but because of their intelligence and charisma they managed to bypass that and carve out amazing managerial careers. You do need incredible strength of personality, ego and belief to manage that trick though.

 

[Cornwallboy]

Sometimes it just doesn't work out at a club and it doesn't have to be a case of "failing to step up"... sometimes its just the wrong guy at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Totally agree with you, will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

[studio150]

Just hope he doesn't get the new manager bounce until after Boxing Day

 

[lawros left foot]

Jones is a very strange character.
My son in law is a season ticket holder at Luton and has a friend on the staff who’s told him several instances of Nathan’s, shall we say, unusual methods of man management. One involved screaming the lyrics of”My Way” into the face of a player who disagreed with him.
Very strongly rumoured that Nathan and Luton’s CEO haven’t spoken face to face since his return from Stoke, they speak through intermediaries.
Also, next time Saints are on the telly, look at Jones fingers. They are all taped because he chews his nails so badly during games, they bleed.
Saying that, he is a very driven individual, who could just pull it off through sheer willpower.

 

[GT49er]

It's the way you tell 'em.

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I think you failed to realise I wasn't telling a joke .......................

 

[Springal]

Worth noting that a very good friend of Nathan Jones is Southampton’s sporting director Matt Crocker allegedly

 

[Easy 10]

Jones is a very strange character.
My son in law is a season ticket holder at Luton and has a friend on the staff who’s told him several instances of Nathan’s, shall we say, unusual methods of man management. One involved screaming the lyrics of”My Way” into the face of a player who disagreed with him.
Very strongly rumoured that Nathan and Luton’s CEO haven’t spoken face to face since his return from Stoke, they speak through intermediaries.
Also, next time Saints are on the telly, look at Jones fingers. They are all taped because he chews his nails so badly during games, they bleed.
Saying that, he is a very driven individual, who could just pull it off through sheer willpower.

Sounds painful though

 

[Guinness Boy]

I think you failed to realise I wasn't telling a joke .......................

No I fully realised that. You were telling a pretty dull story that you couldn’t remember the important details of.

 

[zefarelly]

I can well imagine there is an element of football snobbery from players who have played at the highest levels, but who then find themselves in a dressing room with some bloke who only ever played at the arse end of the football league, and who's managerial track record takes in Luton and a failed spell at Stoke. Unless they fully buy in to him, then it won't take long for egos to take over. I'm not saying its right, but I expect thats often how it pans out.

Now Vincent Kompany can walk into a dressing room with next to no managerial experience. But he would command instant respect from players because of who he is, and his track record as an incredible player who's played at the very highest level, under the best of the best in terms of managers. That obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it does at least buy him some time with the players under his command. Unlike Jones / Potter making the step up. If it don't work quick, its likely not gonna work.

Whether you like it or not . . . You walk into a room with a new manager and you listen, he's your boss, if you don't like it, tough shit, adapt and work with it, or f*** off

this was Gpots saviour as he inherited a good set up . . . . It may be his downfall as he now hasn't.

I would only wish Jones the best , even though I have a general dislike of stains

 

[Doonhamer7]

I wish him well - saints did some “interesting transfer“ business in the summer spending over £80m on very young players (most 18-20) including half of Man City youth team - as Alan Hansen said you don’t win anything with kids

 

[Coldeanseagull]

Interesting...but of no consequence....wolves, villa and soton all sacked their manager prior to playing us in the league.
Arteta must be crapping himself, shirley!

 

[Easy 10]

Whether you like it or not . . . You walk into a room with a new manager and you listen, he's your boss, if you don't like it, tough shit, adapt and work with it, or f*** off

this was Gpots saviour as he inherited a good set up . . . . It may be his downfall as he now hasn't.

I would only wish Jones the best , even though I have a general dislike of stains

Well, if you work for a firm that sells photocopiers, pedal bins or ceramic mugs, then that may well be the case.

However, if you're sitting on a 3 year contract with a transfer valuation to your employers of circa £55m....maybe not so much.

 

[Whoislloydy]

Surely this has Sean Dyche written all over it

 

[dazzer6666]

I can well imagine there is an element of football snobbery from players who have played at the highest levels, but who then find themselves in a dressing room with some bloke who only ever played at the arse end of the football league, and who's managerial track record takes in Luton and a failed spell at Stoke. Unless they fully buy in to him, then it won't take long for egos to take over. I'm not saying its right, but I expect thats often how it pans out.

Now Vincent Kompany can walk into a dressing room with next to no managerial experience. But he would command instant respect from players because of who he is, and his track record as an incredible player who's played at the very highest level, under the best of the best in terms of managers. That obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it does at least buy him some time with the players under his command. Unlike Jones / Potter making the step up. If it don't work quick, its likely not gonna work.

Bit like Gerrard at Villa ?

 

[Justice]

Jones is a very strange character.
My son in law is a season ticket holder at Luton and has a friend on the staff who’s told him several instances of Nathan’s, shall we say, unusual methods of man management. One involved screaming the lyrics of”My Way” into the face of a player who disagreed with him.
Very strongly rumoured that Nathan and Luton’s CEO haven’t spoken face to face since his return from Stoke, they speak through intermediaries.
Also, next time Saints are on the telly, look at Jones fingers. They are all taped because he chews his nails so badly during games, they bleed.
Saying that, he is a very driven individual, who could just pull it off through sheer willpower.

I can well imagine there is an element of football snobbery from players who have played at the highest levels, but who then find themselves in a dressing room with some bloke who only ever played at the arse end of the football league, and who's managerial track record takes in Luton and a failed spell at Stoke. Unless they fully buy in to him, then it won't take long for egos to take over. I'm not saying its right, but I expect thats often how it pans out.

Now Vincent Kompany can walk into a dressing room with next to no managerial experience. But he would command instant respect from players because of who he is, and his track record as an incredible player who's played at the very highest level, under the best of the best in terms of managers. That obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it does at least buy him some time with the players under his command. Unlike Jones / Potter making the step up. If it don't work quick, its likely not gonna work.

It wasn’t exactly quick with Potter, covid saved us that season we were dire. Macalister played at Wolves away and gave us all a bit of hope as things had regressed badly since the few early games of the Potter era.