Hillian1
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Pretty much all of this, every time I see it in real time, which is all I've seen, it looks all the world like a straight red.
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Murphy's red card
- Thread starter We're the Stripes
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Pretty much all of this, every time I see it in real time, which is all I've seen, it looks all the world like a straight red.
The law book mentions nothing about control when talking about fouls. It's about safety, excessive force, and I imagine most referees will also consider any particularly aggressive motivation in the challenge, too.
Serious foul play
A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless
there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send
off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.
A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is
restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred
inside the offender’s penalty area).
A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless
there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send
off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.
A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is
restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred
inside the offender’s penalty area).
I believe, the red card will only be overturned if evidence suggests the ref did not see what he claims he saw, so it will depend on what he put in his report.
If his report says he saw, or thought he saw, the player lunging in, we will probably win the appeal.
If the report says he thought the slip endangered the safety of the opponent, we might struggle to get it overturned.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
And I reckon most teams will drop at least 2 points because of a ref's howler.
More crucial than the two points we dropped last week when playing against ten men for 40mins, despite having a penalty? More than the two points dropped v Huddersfield? More than any future points we will have to drop for these to be crucial (if we win our remaining 37 games, there is no way these dropped points will mean anything)?
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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But he wasn't even making a tackle or a challenge was he - so by the laws of the game it wasn't a red - a pure accident. Sorted.
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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True. You could argue the Fulham one wasn't a pen, although I believe people on here pointed out the rule is if the foul continues into the box it is a penno so difficult to tell for sure - another grey area of the rules it has to be said...
Safeway
M0DERAT0R
You can only say that with the benefit of replays, which the ref doesn't have. In real time it looks like a two-footed lunge. What part of this don't people understand?
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
I'd imagine the FA will have replays.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I'm fairly sure most people do understand that, but are debating the outcome of he appeal with the benefit of replays.
Safeway
M0DERAT0R
Which is lovely and hopefully means the card will be overturned.
Vegas Seagull
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- Jul 10, 2009
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I got the impression that the ref was not looking at the ball but turned his head towards it A split second late as Murphy was already on the way down, missing the slip
I don't think it does. When I saw it for the first time I could tell he had slipped. Replays just confirmed this.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Calde's red card against Newport Country was overturned, even though the opposition player broke his leg.
I think that's fair enough, however Neil Mellor and Warren Aspinall who were also both at the game described it as 'very, very harsh', all depends on the angle.
The red made a poor decision IMO.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
As did the ref
- Jul 7, 2003
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Naylor pointed out in the Argus yesterday that Murphy has had a grand total of (I think) eight yellow cards in his entire 300+ match career to date, and not a single red until last weekend. Some players in the current side will probably have eight yellows by Christmas.
I realise the FA can only go on the evidence relating to that particular challenge, but it can't be a bad thing for Murphy to be able to demonstrate to them that his previous record is bordering on saintly.
I realise the FA can only go on the evidence relating to that particular challenge, but it can't be a bad thing for Murphy to be able to demonstrate to them that his previous record is bordering on saintly.
skipper734
Registered ruffian
This ref also thought it ok to climb up Uwe's back, kneel on his shoulders and nod the ball into the back of the net!