[Albion] Multiple North Stand "singing" sections

[Gazwag]

I realise its not an English thing but the way European clubs do it is to have a "leader" with a megaphone, stand behind the goal and direct the supporters which song should be sung. Never happen in this country though

 

[Wrong-Direction]

The acoustics in the North Stand send the noise upwards and then slant it with the direction of the roof, sloping upwards towards the West Stand, as you face the pitch. So the left side singers (as you face the pitch) cannot hear the central singers or the right side singers. They just start their noise because they are enthusiastic. The central singers do likewise, because they cannot hear the right side singers. The right side singers start their own noise, because the noises coming from the left singers and the centre singers muffle together indistinguishably, and drifts over their heads. There you have 3 simultaneous sets of unharmonised noise. Only rarely is something sufficiently loud sung in complete unison. I’m dead centre back row behind the goal, and we try hard. I don’t know what the answer is, but the sloping roof is the chief acoustic reason why noise drifts up and sideways towards the West Stand. The shelf to be built over the back few rows of safe standing might help harvest, intensify and harmonise the noise.

You need the

 

[JonnyComeEarly]

Drum and megaphone at the front of the North! Can only make things better!

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

I was in the East Stand yesterday which was an utter morgue, I was quite impressed with the noise from the North Stand, you could hear a few songs overlapping but generally it gave a decent atmosphere.

 

[Seagull1989]

I think the issue is the chants rather than the different groups in the stand.



The only chant ever really sang together is “Albion, Albion”

So they can do it right ?



Similarly, Dunks chant and even Caicedos old chant, we managed to sing in unison.



There are too many chants that people are not interested in. Take the, I I I oooo, BHAFC” one. It doesn’t get the people in between these groups interested to carry the chant.



Might sound counter productive to reduce the amount of chants, but I think long term it’ll work.



New, original chants are needed or we can just all remain in silence with the odd “Albion, Albion” now and then.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

I think the issue is the chants rather than the different groups in the stand.



The only chant ever really sang together is “Albion, Albion”

So they can do it right ?



Similarly, Dunks chant and even Caicedos old chant, we managed to sing in unison.



There are too many chants that people are not interested in. Take the, I I I oooo, BHAFC” one. It doesn’t get the people in between these groups interested to carry the chant.



Might sound counter productive to reduce the amount of chants, but I think long term it’ll work.



New, original chants are needed or we can just all remain in silence with the odd “Albion, Albion” now and then.

I don’t think it’s that deep, I think there’s just an awful lot of people in the NS who have zero intention of singing. There was a game recently, there was a rendition of “Tony Bloom’s Blooawhyarmy” going on, I was looking around as we were singing, so many people stood in silence or looking at their phones.

 

[Yes Chef]

I don’t think it’s that deep, I think there’s just an awful lot of people in the NS who have zero intention I’d singing. There was a game recently, there was a rendition of “Tony Bloom’s Blooawhyarmy” going on, I was looking around as we were singing, so many people stood in silence or looking at their phones.

This is what I was going to say. I'd even go so far to say a lot of support is a little upright.

The 'Tony Bloom Blooawhyarmy' is a great chant, it's simple but you can get away with just clapping if you don't want to sing.

I do think people should have a few bevs to help lose their inhibitions

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Regrettably, your assertion is correct. That reason is indeed part of their motivation.

Regrettably, your recommendation won't happen, precisely because of those folks' egos. They're better fans than the rest, you see.

Regrettably therefore, the club can do nothing about the issue. Even if they forcibly moved all the singers into one section (and they're not likely to want to force people to move anyway), there are a vocal group who would carry on doing what they're doing regardless.

I didn't know you were a northstander.
You must be, to be so certain. about the motivations of these fans

I sit in N1C and can frequently not hear the chants that the "other" section is singing.
I'm not even really sure where they are. I had assumed they are behind the goal, but it sounds like they are closer to the east stand.

In general when there are two competing tunes, one of them wins out pretty quickly.
I can't remember an occasion when 2 different songs have been sung loudly by two competing factions.
But that may be because I am closer to one of those sets of fans.

In my experience is that most songs take 2 or 3 lines before they get loud enough for the other half of the stand to hear/join in.

The problem is that there are 2 singing sections that are too far apart for them to join in at the same time.
It isn't ego, IMO, just acoustics and lack of organisation.

 

[m20gull]

I didn't know you were a northstander.
You must be, to be so certain. about the motivations of these fans

I sit in N1C and can frequently not hear the chants that the "other" section is singing.
I'm not even really sure where they are. I had assumed they are behind the goal, but it sounds like they are closer to the east stand.

In general when there are two competing tunes, one of them wins out pretty quickly.
I can't remember an occasion when 2 different songs have been sung loudly by two competing factions.
But that may be because I am closer to one of those sets of fans.

In my experience is that most songs take 2 or 3 lines before they get loud enough for the other half of the stand to hear/join in.

The problem is that there are 2 singing sections that are too far apart for them to join in at the same time.
It isn't ego, IMO, just acoustics and lack of organisation.

I'm in N1D and this sums up my view too. Sussex by the Sea is a good example. During the match when that is sung by the fans closer to the East it is only obvious by about the last line of the verse.

 

[dazzer6666]

I realise its not an English thing but the way European clubs do it is to have a "leader" with a megaphone, stand behind the goal and direct the supporters which song should be sung. Never happen in this country though

We should get this guy in ?

 

[Moshe Gariani]

I know this has been done to death at least a million times but people keep getting it wrong.

Fact is that in the Amex NS we have a UNIQUE situation in the long history of fans making noise at football matches.

The club in their great wisdom decided that instead of creating a clustered together group (centrally located to lead the atmosphere, including the starting of ALL successful chanting) they would deliberately spread the 500 most vocal fans across the whole 70 yard width of the back few rows.

This was a huge mistake and the direct cause of the current shambles. There are very definitely, three NS locations (West, Middle, East) where relatively successful chants are frequently started. At moments of highest enthusiasm, due to events on pitch, there WILL usually be three different chants started and continued with at the same time.

I am near the back in N1D and close to the bloke who starts "our" chants. They are nearly always taken up by those around us. If we had only one song at a time the Albion home support from the NS would be unusually good - as it should be given our short time in the top flight and relative success.

 

[mile oak]

I have always felt the NW corner is where the main noise begins so if everyone else can just follow or where is Krispies when you need him?

 

[warsaw]

A guy with a megaphone is surely the only way to pull songs together. In Europe the guy is leading the chants and everybody is tuning in to him whatever is happening on the pitch and of course he's not watching the game. So it's shit
But if you had a guy picking up songs started at one end of the stand or the other it suddenly becomes stand wide rapidly. Not continuously but as needed.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

They have two Megaphones at palace and they store them in a broom cupboard

You may recall the always ultras publishing a statement last season when someone forgot the keys to the broom cupboard and there was a threat of a walkout in relation to a banner and advertising boards

 

[JonnyComeEarly]

I have always felt the NW corner is where the main noise begins so if everyone else can just follow or where is Krispies when you need him?

Does seem that way just a shame it doesnt always travel as the singing is almost constant

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I don’t think it’s that deep, I think there’s just an awful lot of people in the NS who have zero intention of singing. There was a game recently, there was a rendition of “Tony Bloom’s Blooawhyarmy” going on, I was looking around as we were singing, so many people stood in silence or looking at their phones.

Yeah this.
The 3 groups are separated by swathes of people who don't sing.
Meaning the chants will rarely flow from one group to the next

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

When there are good chants, On our way, Who's that man from Argentina, We've got Knockaert etc, this is not an issue.

The main problem is not the different groups, but the absolutely shite songbook.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

When there are good chants, On our way, Who's that man from Argentina, We've got Knockaert etc, this is not an issue.

The main problem is not the different groups, but the absolutely shite songbook.

This is one of several factors.

Certain chants can be sung with gusto.
although it was badly received by many on here, "Europe again" was one of those.
Which is why it was so popular.

Caicedo and Bissouma chants were equally good to belt out ( oddly it doesn't go so well for Mitoma)

WE are Brighton does not get sung enough, IMO.
It is the one longstanding chant that you can really get behind.