[Albion] Multiple North Stand "singing" sections

[Paulie Gualtieri]

On a price point? In what parallel universe does PBOBE make the South Stand seats cheaper than the cheap seats in the North Stand? Or does he just raise seat prices in the North Stand to try and force folks to migrate South? You've really not thought this one through now, have you?

No, you’ve not thought it through have you, read it again

Where have I said the south stand will / should be cheaper than the north?

There are people holding season tickets in the north purely because it’s the cheapest ticket band and have no intention of contributing to the atmosphere.

You move these people to the south where they can sit down if needs be in silence and replace them with people who are willing to actually contribute.

All of this , in a single universe, amazing

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

No, you’ve not thought it through have you, read it again

Where have I said the south stand will / should be cheaper than the north?

There are people holding season tickets in the north purely because it’s the cheapest ticket band and have no intention of contributing to the atmosphere.

You move these people to the south where they can sit down if needs be in silence and replace them with people who are willing to actually contribute.

All of this , in a single universe, amazing

How else are you going to try and encourage them to move to the opposite end of the ground other than by 'a price point'? By measuring individual decibel levels maybe?

 

[METALMICKY]

All the arm-flapping by the players to the crowd does seem pretty much like an effort to deflect from their own lack of performance, has to be said

Indeed. Crowd response is largely an organic thing generated by what you're seeing on the pitch. Even the most ardent North Stand youngster with 6 pints in him will have struggled to chant with any vigour yesterday.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

How else are you going to try and encourage them to move to the opposite end of the ground other than by 'a price point'? By measuring individual decibel levels maybe?

No.

I don’t think it’s a reach to suggest those who don’t contribute would rather sit down if given a choice. They stand at the minute because they have to.

If the club marketed the situation properly when the south becomes available there would be some natural order

 

[METALMICKY]

No, you’ve not thought it through have you, read it again

Where have I said the south stand will / should be cheaper than the north?

There are people holding season tickets in the north purely because it’s the cheapest ticket band and have no intention of contributing to the atmosphere.

You move these people to the south where they can sit down if needs be in silence and replace them with people who are willing to actually contribute.

All of this , in a single universe, amazing

Are you for real? Are we going to have small print on your North Stand ticket indicating clarifying that you must chant for a minimum of 70 mins per game or you will have your ticket cancelled or be asked to move? Or to put it another way according to your logic I don't have the right to control my finances by buying the cheapest ticket unless I commit to singing?

 

[seagullwedgee]

The acoustics in the North Stand send the noise upwards and then slant it with the direction of the roof, sloping upwards towards the West Stand, as you face the pitch. So the left side singers (as you face the pitch) cannot hear the central singers or the right side singers. They just start their noise because they are enthusiastic. The central singers do likewise, because they cannot hear the right side singers. The right side singers start their own noise, because the noises coming from the left singers and the centre singers muffle together indistinguishably, and drifts over their heads. There you have 3 simultaneous sets of unharmonised noise. Only rarely is something sufficiently loud sung in complete unison. I’m dead centre back row behind the goal, and we try hard. I don’t know what the answer is, but the sloping roof is the chief acoustic reason why noise drifts up and sideways towards the West Stand. The shelf to be built over the back few rows of safe standing might help harvest, intensify and harmonise the noise.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

So i know this has been discussed many many times before but surely something desperately needs to be done to fix it.

There seems to be 2 if not 3 groups of singers now, all in different areas and all singing different songs.

The NS is small but as we know from away games a stand of that size can generate some serious noise - if everyones on the same page.

Seems this gets chatted about all the time, everyone wades in and then zero happens to help improve it. Is this something the club can help step in and make some changes - especially as the club seem to want to improve the atmosphere and we're having to wait 3 years until the away end gets moved.

The players waving their arms to gee up the crowd really isnt helping but shows how much they feed off the atmosphere too. How will we ever get it better??

Surely if all the singers in the north can get together that stand would be brilliant.

They need to, I agree. However, we have a bin man behind us the the North who is the biggest prize belled known to man who just starts the same old boring chants EVERY game and he just doesn't grasp when either side are chanting different song to him. It's infuriating. If we sing anti Palace chants, he'll start one about Brighton in some kind of anti negative chant. Blokes a cock.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Are you for real? Are we going to have small print on your North Stand ticket indicating clarifying that you must chant for a minimum of 70 mins per game or you will have your ticket cancelled or be asked to move? Or to put it another way according to your logic I don't have the right to control my finances by buying the cheapest ticket unless I commit to singing?

Sounds like I’ve solved all your problems Micky if you don’t want to contribute.

 

[drew]

I love the assumption that these separate groups, once moved to the South Stand, won't still behave as separate groups!!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm not in the North so can only go on second hand information but I've heard stories of someone starting a chant and then someone nearby starting a different one, like they're in a competition with each other? In short people doing that need to lose the ego and join together to support the team.

I started watching the Albion in 1969.

I have always thought the north had a contingent of 'all about me' wankers.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I started watching the Albion in 1969.

I have always thought the north had a contingent of 'all about me' wankers.

HWT: Wrong Since 1969

 

[Commander]

I'm not in the North so can only go on second hand information but I've heard stories of someone starting a chant and then someone nearby starting a different one, like they're in a competition with each other? In short people doing that need to lose the ego and join together to support the team.

Sadly, this is correct.

The soon-come home support South Stand is a completely blank canvas. Rather than try and reverse-engineer the North Stand, why not just designate the central sections of the South Stand as a singing section and encourage all the singers to congregate there? Seems the obvious thing to do

This, however, is an excellent idea, and probably much easier than sorting out the North Stand.

Regrettably, your assertion is correct. That reason is indeed part of their motivation.

Regrettably, your recommendation won't happen, precisely because of those folks' egos. They're better fans than the rest, you see.

Regrettably therefore, the club can do nothing about the issue. Even if they forcibly moved all the singers into one section (and they're not likely to want to force people to move anyway), there are a vocal group who would carry on doing what they're doing regardless.

Yep. 100%.

The acoustics in the North Stand send the noise upwards and then slant it with the direction of the roof, sloping upwards towards the West Stand, as you face the pitch. So the left side singers (as you face the pitch) cannot hear the central singers or the right side singers. They just start their noise because they are enthusiastic. The central singers do likewise, because they cannot hear the right side singers. The right side singers start their own noise, because the noises coming from the left singers and the centre singers muffle together indistinguishably, and drifts over their heads. There you have 3 simultaneous sets of unharmonised noise. Only rarely is something sufficiently loud sung in complete unison. I’m dead centre back row behind the goal, and we try hard. I don’t know what the answer is, but the sloping roof is the chief acoustic reason why noise drifts up and sideways towards the West Stand. The shelf to be built over the back few rows of safe standing might help harvest, intensify and harmonise the noise.

And this is incorrect. I've had a ST in the middle of the North, then under the police box, and then in the group of singers on the opposite side. I can quite clearly hear the chants being started from the opposite side of the stand, but for some bizarre reason people prefer to ignore it and start their own, and then when two songs are going at once each side tries to sing theirs even louder, rather than joining in with whichever one is currently being sung by more people.

Unless I have some sort of super-hearing, the 'noise doesn't travel' argument is just an excuse for some strange people who feel some kind of ego boost from unsynchronised football chanting.

 

[BN9 BHA]

However, we have a bin man behind us the the North

Does he wear his work clothes to football?

 

[dazzer6666]

Or just move en masse to a designated singing section in the South Stand? It's noticeable that sound travels very clearly from South to North, in fact many songs in the North take their cue as a counterpoint to what away fans are singing in the South. Having home fans singing at both ends of the ground, with the South leading, would be a massive boost to the current fragmented efforts

We’re going to end up with about 6 competing groups instead of 3

 

[Yes Chef]

I'm in N1G , and sing all the time. I was unaware that I was competing with anyone.

 

[Creaky]

Could technology help with this problem?

Microphones in the roof of the North stand could relay the noise to all the speakers around the stadium, (maybe increase the volume above the away section!)

Might well encourage "singers" in other stands to join in.

 

[brighton_tom]

Could technology help with this problem?

Microphones in the roof of the North stand could relay the noise to all the speakers around the stadium, (maybe increase the volume above the away section!)

Might well encourage "singers" in other stands to join in.

I hope that’s a joke

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Does he wear his work clothes to football?

Naaaa he just obsesses over bins and was even in The Argus! Seems like a nice guy but the love for his own voice is very very annoying.

 

[Anger]

Also, how do you organise spontaneity?

Suddenly. In a moment.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Stop saying what can the club do! It's down to all the morons standing in silence between the singers.