MPs still don't get it do they

[Uncle Spielberg]

Also £ 65k a year for the responsibilty of the job is utter cack. It should be about £ 150k.

 

[tedebear]

what he said

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[pasty]

Anyone that sits working on their laptop on the train is knob by definition anyway.

 

[Hannibal smith]

As a knob by definition, I work every day perfectly well in 2nd Class. The company I work for, understandably, won’t pay 1st class as they see it as an unnecessary expense (or pay for taxi’s in London etc). Why should it be any different if the tax payer picks up the bill?

The trains I go on have quiet zones anyway if he really can’t concentrate. First Class is a nicer way to travel with free booze which is what the nub of his issue is.

 

[beorhthelm]

Also £ 65k a year for the responsibilty of the job is utter cack. It should be about £ 150k.

well if you account for their expenes, allowances, "communications budget" and what not, it very nearly is. theres little problem with the salary.

The company I work for, understandably, won’t pay 1st class as they see it as an unnecessary expense (or pay for taxi’s in London etc). Why should it be any different if the tax payer picks up the bill?

why make the comparison to you personal circumstances? does your CEO or Finance director follow that same policy? if they do, their are plenty of companies that where they dont. other companies still that do allow the lower ranking employees expensies as appropriate. MPs are not everyday employees but high level decision makers and should be compared as such.

 

[Easy 10]

First class, standard class, who cares. The train fare aspect is a complete non-story here.
The REAL disgrace is him claiming £20,000 expenses from us lot in order to pay rent on a property he already bloody OWNS.

The thieving, conniving, weasley thundercunt.

 

[Easy 10]

"Come on you scummy lot. Cough up the rent for the flat I already own. Its my RIGHT don't you know ?"

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I disagree if he didn't own the property he would have to rent somewhere which in London would probably be around £ 20k per annum for a modest property. So why should he be penalised for owning the property ?.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Anyway if they paid them a sensible salary there would be no need for expenses which is what he also said, £ 150k for a senior MP is reasonable. £ 65k per annum after tax is about £ 3k a month , so £ 100 a day for all costs involved with the job and everything outside the job, ridiculous.

 

[Easy 10]

I disagree if he didn't own the property he would have to rent somewhere which in London would probably be around £ 20k per annum for a modest property. So why should he be penalised for owning the property ?.

Errr...hang on. How is he being "penalised" for owning the property ?
There's nothing else to pay on it, its his to use as he pleases, so he can live there for nothing (although I expect we've also furnished it and paid for its upkeep).

And on top of that you think its STILL ok for him to bill us rent for him to live in his own flat ? If he had to rent a flat somewhere in London then fine, but he doesn't need to. So why does he need to claim rent ?
Or am I missing something here ?

 

[Hannibal smith]

why make the comparison to you personal circumstances? does your CEO or Finance director follow that same policy? if they do, their are plenty of companies that where they dont. other companies still that do allow the lower ranking employees expensies as appropriate. MPs are not everyday employees but high level decision makers and should be compared as such.

Everyone from the CEO downwards is supposed to unless the cheapest advance ticket is 1st class. My point was more about the excuses offered up. 'I can't work in 2nd class because it's too difficult and noisy to do so'

Bollocks is it. Millions of people do it every day. He wants the added luxury of first class and if he come out and said that I would have a bit more respect for him. As I said before, if state money needs to be cut back, travelling in 1st class is a good a place as any to start even if the saving is slight.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Couldn't he go on Trainline and BOOK a seat in a quiet compartment? At his age he'd get a senior railcard to REDUCE costs further.

Bloody Tory oik.

Vote for them..........I don't think so.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Errr...hang on. How is he being "penalised" for owning the property ?
There's nothing else to pay on it, its his to use as he pleases, so he can live there for nothing (although I expect we've also furnished it and paid for its upkeep).

And on top of that you think its STILL ok for him to bill us rent for him to live in his own flat ? If he had to rent a flat somewhere in London then fine, but he doesn't need to. So why does he need to claim rent ?
Or am I missing something here ?

He is using the expenses system to make up for the derisory salary. Put it this way lets say he spent £ 400k of his own money to get this property, if he had invested that he would be getting a similar amount in interest so why the fact he has brought and using a property needed for his work should be not be compensated for this.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The last time I went on the train to London during the day 2nd class was full of pikey's spivs, asylum seekers, teenage mums and Palace supporters. Can you imagine some elderly, well spoken suit trying to sit there and work. I don't think so.

 

[beorhthelm]

First class, standard class, who cares. The train fare aspect is a complete non-story here.
The REAL disgrace is him claiming £20,000 expenses from us lot in order to pay rent on a property he already bloody OWNS.

i know. media seems to miss the real issues. but then for a week John Terry's love life was the most important thing in the country.

The thieving, conniving, weasley thundercunt.

I disagree if he didn't own the property he would have to rent somewhere which in London would probably be around £ 20k per annum for a modest property. So why should he be penalised for owning the property ?.

why should he profit from it? tax free too, if you claimed expenses for a second mortgage, the IR would want something too. if a company paid for "relocation" as is not uncommon, they'd own the old house not buy you a new one.

 

[severnside gull]

If I travel by train for more than 4.5hrs (each way) on business I can go first class. Similarly flights over 4.5hrs I fly business class.
The purpose is to arrive fresh to actually do the business and I don't travel a day early or whatever and stay in an expensive hotel for sure!

Anything less than 4.5hrs and it's back of the bus.


What (some) MP's want is recognition of their superior status................................bollocks

 

[Easy 10]

He is using the expenses system to make up for the derisory salary. Put it this way lets say he spent £ 400k of his own money to get this property, if he had invested that he would be getting a similar amount in interest so why the fact he has brought and using a property needed for his work should be not be compensated for this.

Expenses are supposed to be used to reimburse MP's for bills they incur in their line of work as an MP. They're NOT supposed to be used to protect investments, or make up interest or rent he would have been picking up on a property he owns. Its not some kind of compensation ATM for him to dip into, its OUR money !

 

[tedebear]

Also £ 65k a year for the responsibilty of the job is utter cack. It should be about £ 150k.

Plus allowances? Which lets face it are considerable!

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/M05.pdf#page=16

 

[VeronaSeagull]

£65k for the amount of work they actually do is not that bad and most of them have had jobs where they earnt the big bucks or inherited them before moving into politics. It's not a job that should be done for the money but then given the money pissed up the wall by the public sector they can afford to pay them more.

The issue I have is not so much the amount they get in expenses, I agree they need them and need second homes. It's the attitude towards the general public and when they have claimed for non existent amounts such as this guy claiming for rent on a property he owned and had paid off the mortgage on.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Anyone that sits working on their laptop on the train is knob by definition anyway.

My father does. Simply because he is hugely overworked and doesn't want to have to do it all at home. Two hours a day working in the first class carriage means he can have a bit more free time.