[News] MPs defecting to The Independent Group in parliament

[Kinky Gerbil]

How can they be 10 points behind the Tories

 

[Nobby]

Take a look at Scottish politics, I work with Scots who have a huge interest. The SNP and Scottish Labour Party despise each other.

British politics is not defined by those “evil Tories” versus all those lovely other parties, and it never will be. Far more complex that, with widely varying agendas within the Tory and Labour parties too.

No but all stories are evil aren’t they?.
Name me one that isn’t.
It’s a fecking shame that those b*st*rds are somehow still intact.
Them’s the party that are leading us into this shambles

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Labour got 40% of the vote at the last General Election, one of the highest in our history.

And still lost.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Personally I'd like to see both the Labour and Conservative parties break down into their various 'factions'. (And if this had happened a few years back we wouldn't be in the complete clusterf*** we are at the moment).

That way people could vote for a group that represents their opinions far more accurately than these two monolithic conglomerates that are created by our FPTP system. Who knows, it could even usher in a period of 'grown-up' long term coalition government rather than the current ridiculous swing from one side to another based on fractional changes in voting patterns.

 

[Ernest]

How can they be 10 points behind the Tories

They're not

 

[carlzeiss]

Labour got 40% of the vote at the last General Election, one of the highest in our history. We'd have won if Scottish Labour hadn't been so useless (advocating people vote Tory against the SNP for instance)
We have the biggest membership of any party in Europe. If there is a new style SDP that will split the vote and keep the Tories in for ever in the first past the post system, which is what some of you want, isn't it? Just be honest and stop trying to be all 'moderate' and 'reasonable'
It's ludicrous to say we have 'stolen' the party - the centrists borrowed it, we've got it back!
I do find the right wing bias on NSC amusing given that we have wiped the floor with the Tories in all the local seats and even my local East Worthing and Shoreham is now a marginal. I guess it's that old chestnut, 'age'. Never understood people becoming less radical as they get older, surely we should respond to what we see around us, and what I see is division, poverty, homelessness, complacency on one hand, misery on the other........

Hopefully the Blarites will split from labour and then we will have a proper marxist to vote for .

 

[London Irish]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/labour-slumps-in-polls-as-tories-open-biggest-lead-since-general-election

A half decent opposition should be miles ahead in any opinion poll at the moment. The fact that Labour is behind and losing ground shows how bad it really is as a creditable alternative government. The SDP formed as a result of a similar shift away from Labours Centre/left position . Whether any split actually happens remains to be seen, but should it happen and the moderate centre left Labour Mps join, it will see the Labour party out of office for at least 2 maybe 3 election cycles. I think the public are seeing through Momentum/Corbyn and just want a viable left leaning alternative to Tory centre/right policies without going full scale Socialist far left loonyism

Lord so much cack in one post, monumental effort

 

[London Irish]

How can they be 10 points behind the Tories

Stop reading the Beano mate for news

 

[London Irish]

And still lost.

They deprived the Tories of Cameron’s 2015 majority, that’s not losing

 

[Sussex Nomad]

They deprived the Tories of Cameron’s 2015 majority, that’s not losing

Oh ok, I had no idea Corbyn was PM.

 

[Chicken Run]

Labour party break-up ?

They deprived the Tories of Cameron’s 2015 majority, that’s not losing

Eh? iirc he one a majority of twelve.

Edit, I’ve re read what you said and now get what your on about.

 

[Chicken Run]

Stop reading the Beano mate for news

As apposed to the Socialist Worker?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Oh goody! I wonder if they'll call it the SDP - that worked well before...........................

Notice that they're planning the big putsch for after Brexit - presumably hoping that will enable them to skate round the fact that many of them owe their place in Parliament to voters in constituencies that voted decisively for Leave.

Following the split Labour were out of power for 16 years. The party would be crazy to keep on their momentum line (like their 1980s predecessors) and ostracise the centre ground within their party

 

[Ernest]

Eh? iirc he one a majority of twelve.

And clueless May lost it in 2017 as she is as thick as all the Tories on NSC

 

[Sussex Nomad]

They deprived the Tories of Cameron’s 2015 majority, that’s not losing

Eh? iirc he one a majority of twelve.

Originally he had to form a coalition and then gained a majority in the next GE, a trend followed by May, but let's not get in the way of facts. Corbyn is PM and we are not in Brexit.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

And clueless May lost it in 2017 as she is as thick as all the Tories on NSC

You live in your breakfast cafe dreamworld there's a good boy

 

[Chicken Run]

Originally he had to form a coalition and then gained a majority in the next GE, a trend followed by May, but let's not get in the way of facts. Corbyn is PM and we are not in Brexit.

I’ll give you a fact, Corbyn will never be PM.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I’ll give you a fact, Corbyn will never be PM.

I'll take that.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Paving the way for the Labour Party to absorb the Communist Party of Britain, giving a single Marxist voice at the ballot box.

And it will be shrill, and ignoring it will be more-ish.

ps anyone who say all politicians are the same is either an anarchist (anti all politicians) or a liar (hoping a bit of mud will stick on whatever, if anything, emerges from the centre left) aka a committed blinkered party-loyal tory. Who would have known?

 

[Titanic]

Agreed, but Mrs Balls might if she leads the New Labour Party.