According to the article (and papers never lie) he said that the British people know the islands belong to them. That's why I think he's a twat. I'm not going to go through the thread and study the back history on each poster to find their motive for being annoyed with him, but I imagine quite a few are annoyed by the fact he pretends to speak for all Britons.
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Morrissey and the Falklands
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daveinprague
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Like I said...the rights and wrongs of the Falklands issue, I couldnt care less about. Sheep and a few farmers do not make a nation.
All im saying is...for the 3rd and last time is... that I think its funny that if he had said the opposite, people would have been praising him...but people seem to be saying, because his opinion is different from theirs, then, as a pop singer, he should keep his opinions to himself.
and why CZ?... Britain has a decent record in bullying smaller states.
I always liked Morrissey. Now he's telling Argies that I think the Falklands belong to them, and I don't like it.
Surrey Seagull
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At what point would you care Dave?
daveinprague
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Id care if it was an important issue. As its just sabre rattling from both sides, frankly, I couldnt give a toss.
n1 gull
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Morrissey is a bit of a wally (I actually adore him) but I've long since stopped being bothered about what he says.
Next week he'll probably contradict himself
Surrey Seagull
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So it's not important to you because the Falklands are far away? It's an issue of self determination more than anything else, if that's not important to you then you have to think to yourself at what point does something like this become important?
daveinprague
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I think people are getting a little excited over nothing... When the Argentinians do something...then get excitable....until then...foam away to your hearts content, but it wont change anything.
Tooting Gull
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If it was so important to Britain at every level, why was the government in active (if slow) discussions over sovereignty right up until the lunatic Junta got impatient and waded in?
Dirk Gently
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And the Argentinians won't do anything. As I said earlier it's all just sabre-rattling for public opinion there.
They know damn well that the Falklands are too well-defended now for any invasion to possibly succeed. Their armed forces are a lot smaller and less-well equipped than 30 years ago, and there is a permanent RAF defence base on the Islands as well as missile defences, etc.
We might not have the capability to recapture the Falklands again without an aircraft carrier, but there's no realistic possibility of ever having to do so because we're not likely to lose them.
All a lot of noise about nothing.
They know damn well that the Falklands are too well-defended now for any invasion to possibly succeed. Their armed forces are a lot smaller and less-well equipped than 30 years ago, and there is a permanent RAF defence base on the Islands as well as missile defences, etc.
We might not have the capability to recapture the Falklands again without an aircraft carrier, but there's no realistic possibility of ever having to do so because we're not likely to lose them.
All a lot of noise about nothing.
If the rest of the world decided that the Falklands should belong to Argentina, something would happen, and it would badly affect the lives of the British people that live there. So I think the diplomacy at this stage is important, and Morrissey's words don't help that.
Surrey Seagull
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They already are doing something Dave. But in the meantime, let's not worry about it, bury our heads in the sand and pretend everything's ok.
At what point exactly should we care Dave? When the Argentine flag is raised over Port Stanley again? When the Falklanders are genuinely concerned for their lives again? By the time you start caring, it'll be too late but hey the Falklanders are on the opposite side of the planet from you so really let's not worry about them?
At what point exactly should we care Dave? When the Argentine flag is raised over Port Stanley again? When the Falklanders are genuinely concerned for their lives again? By the time you start caring, it'll be too late but hey the Falklanders are on the opposite side of the planet from you so really let's not worry about them?
daveinprague
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You can lose sleep over a few farmers and sheep and their self determination, but I certainly wont. If you honestly think there is a chance of the Argentinians invading again, then Im afraid we will have to disagree. The Falkland Islanders came to Britain before the war asking for full British status, and Thatcher refused them. Of course, they have it now, or at least an improved status, but If any of my family are called up in the future, to go and fight and die or be injured for the principle of a few farmers having self determination on the other side of the planet, Id do my upmost to stop them.
Surrey Seagull
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Of course the Argentines won't invade, it's the wrong time of year for that (their hand was forced in 82). If I were them, I'd wait until October\November time. Hope I'm wrong but there you go.
So the line for you is your family and fairplay to you for that. But if they happened to be Falklanders, would you be telling them to get ready\leave the island or everything is going to be ok?
So the line for you is your family and fairplay to you for that. But if they happened to be Falklanders, would you be telling them to get ready\leave the island or everything is going to be ok?
daveinprague
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Well, I certainly wouldnt think lives should be lost for them over it. If they want to live that lifestyle, feel free...if they like, the govt can compensate them and they can buy god forsaken parts of Wales or Scotland and live their lives quietly there. I dont think the issue is self determination anyway. Its strategic rather than any noble human issue.
With the previous military junta, yeah, I could see the island populations concern, but theres no longer a military junta in Argentina, and they have an elected government.
How would people feel about, lets say a Spanish, heavily garrisoned island off Scotland? Im pretty sure the nationalists would be screaming for it to be returned to Britain, just the same as the Argentinian nationalists are screaming for the Falklands.
With the previous military junta, yeah, I could see the island populations concern, but theres no longer a military junta in Argentina, and they have an elected government.
How would people feel about, lets say a Spanish, heavily garrisoned island off Scotland? Im pretty sure the nationalists would be screaming for it to be returned to Britain, just the same as the Argentinian nationalists are screaming for the Falklands.
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Surrey Seagull
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Of course it's about self determination they're a British Overseas Territory, the Falklanders have the right to choose. If they wanted to, they can leave and become part of Argentina but they don't want that...at the moment. If they wanted to leave, I'd be ok with that and wish them the best but they don't. Put it this way, if your much larger neighbour who could wipe the floor with you decided your house is his, are you going to stand there and say "yeah alright, it's all yours mate"? Of course you're not, you'd probably get the police involved, right?
It's all about bully boy tactics and rabble rousing by the Argentinian Government because it is losing popularity...just like 1982.
Oh and btw, you never answered my question about if you had family on the island.
It's all about bully boy tactics and rabble rousing by the Argentinian Government because it is losing popularity...just like 1982.
Oh and btw, you never answered my question about if you had family on the island.
daveinprague
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Id ask my family if they thought it was worth them, or other peoples sons and daughters dying over it. Remembering that we are talking about a 'population' of less than 3000. How much are we spending on the defence of these 3000?
I dont believe its about self determination at all.. Its about having a presence in the south atlantic, particularly for the future
when they decide they want to dig the oil out in Antarctica.
Britain has bullied plenty of smaller countries in the pursuit of 'glory' hasnt it though.
Our country had a war with, I think Mozambique back in the day, and even had the cheek to raise the local taxes afterwards to pay for the
ammunition we used on them.
Geographically, the Islands are Argentinian, not British.
You didnt answer how you would fell if the roles were reveresed, and there was a heavily garrisoned island off the Scottish coast?
Something I can remember from the Falklands war...some people actually thought the Falklands were Scottish islands as they rang into radio stations to ask why the Argentians were invading islands off Scotland.
I dont believe its about self determination at all.. Its about having a presence in the south atlantic, particularly for the future
when they decide they want to dig the oil out in Antarctica.
Britain has bullied plenty of smaller countries in the pursuit of 'glory' hasnt it though.
Our country had a war with, I think Mozambique back in the day, and even had the cheek to raise the local taxes afterwards to pay for the
ammunition we used on them.
Geographically, the Islands are Argentinian, not British.
You didnt answer how you would fell if the roles were reveresed, and there was a heavily garrisoned island off the Scottish coast?
Something I can remember from the Falklands war...some people actually thought the Falklands were Scottish islands as they rang into radio stations to ask why the Argentians were invading islands off Scotland.
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This. Very much.
Surrey Seagull
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I've already established self determination is something I believe in, so I've already answered your question but to reiterate my point, if the island did not want to be part of Britain then it's fine with me. The sad fact is, no-one seems at all interested in what the islanders themselves want. Surely that's the most important thing here isn't it?
A further scenario has just played out in my head. Your neighbour now not only wants your out of his house but out of his country too, is that ok?
Oh and your Mozambique war, is it ok then seeing as we used to have slavery that others should have it too?
A further scenario has just played out in my head. Your neighbour now not only wants your out of his house but out of his country too, is that ok?
Oh and your Mozambique war, is it ok then seeing as we used to have slavery that others should have it too?
daveinprague
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and ive already established that I dont believe, in the slightest, that its about 'self determination' more about strategic oil exploration.
What exactly did the Argentinians do or say thats got everybody in a lather exactly? Seems a lot of frothing and waving of arms over nothing
to me to be honest.
How much of this is just bullshit...and how much does defending 3000 people on the other side of the world cost UK tax payers?
What exactly did the Argentinians do or say thats got everybody in a lather exactly? Seems a lot of frothing and waving of arms over nothing
to me to be honest.
How much of this is just bullshit...and how much does defending 3000 people on the other side of the world cost UK tax payers?