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[fat old seagull]

And, one last time, if that didn't happen the UK will write the immigration rules. And I can't see why they would not allow talented footballers in (in the same way we do today for non EU). Of course maybe the Brexit vote means we want to dismantle the most profitable league in the world and I just didn't see it coming.

All that of course might depend on how many £ to the $ !

 

[Hampster Gull]

I fully believe there will be another referendum but it's probably 20 odd yrs away

By then the lights will go out at night and we will be wearing multiple jumpers listening to radios. Just saying

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

By then the lights will go out at night and we will be wearing multiple jumpers listening to radios. Just saying

You've clearly never been to Sunderland.

 

[Steve in Japan]

All that of course might depend on how many £ to the $ !

Can't argue with that!

 

[Theatre of Trees]

We set the rules for non EU migration now. And if they are good enough we let the players in. EU migration will either be the same, or will continue to be free.

So the foreign talent will come for the same reason they come now. ££££. Lets be honest they don't come for anything else.

If there is freedom of movement then we won't see any changes.

However, it could be possible that we may invoke the rules currently in place for non-EU footballers, notably that they have to be a regular for their country and play a certain percentage of games over a predetermined timescale. That would mean no more Ulloas, Knockaerts, Brunos, Calderons, etc. Remember Ulloa couldn't play in this country until he sorted his italian passport out.

 

[Brighton Mod]

1: By having a smaller economy as a result of Brexit the economy can afford fewer items.

2:By restricting migration as a result of Brexit you end up with fewer providers. So no Ulloa, Calderon, Bruno, Knockaert, but more Leon Best's and Chris O'Grady's (I'm assuming here that if the government is serious about reducing migration by 60-80% that non-international footballers are not top of the list of essential employees.

Your first point presumes no or a great reduction in trade with Europe, is this correct. Have you looked at the EU trade with Russia? They don't seem to be doing too bad in their trade with the EU. I remember when the government introduced the bank tax and these companies cried wolf on leaving London and going to Switzerland, Hong Kong and New York, Did they go no, would the workforce go, no. The London market is a self fulfilling prophecy and all banks benefit on having an experienced pool to recruit in, render that down and the quality goes down. I've also heard that Switzerland is not a very exciting place to live? Lets see what happens.

 

[Brighton Mod]

I'm not bemoaning the quality of life that we experience in this country, I'm decrying the way in which the ever increasing burden of paying for it has been bequethed to our children.

Well thats not your post said, and no doubt future generations will inherit a debt as well for many, the best living conditions the human race has ever experienced. Don't worry about the debt, you can't do anything about it.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Your first point presumes no or a great reduction in trade with Europe, is this correct. Have you looked at the EU trade with Russia? They don't seem to be doing too bad in their trade with the EU. I remember when the government introduced the bank tax and these companies cried wolf on leaving London and going to Switzerland, Hong Kong and New York, Did they go no, would the workforce go, no. The London market is a self fulfilling prophecy and all banks benefit on having an experienced pool to recruit in, render that down and the quality goes down. I've also heard that Switzerland is not a very exciting place to live? Lets see what happens.

Eh? Russia is sanctioned by the EU, and even yesterday there were reports that 1 of their 2 sovereign wealth funds which was to be used to pay pensions was being diverted to cover budget short falls elsewhere. This fund will be empty sometime in 2017, and who knows what happens in Russia when the state coffers run dry some time after that.

 

[Diego Napier]

Well thats not your post said,

Don't you mean you inferred something that I neither stated nor implied?

and no doubt future generations will inherit a debt as well for many, the best living conditions the human race has ever experienced.

And yet other countries manage to run a budget surplus and still provide the best living conditions the human race has ever experienced.

Don't worry about the debt, you can't do anything about it.

I know I can't but it doesn't stop me from being unhappy that my children will be saddled with paying it off.

 

[Steve in Japan]

If there is freedom of movement then we won't see any changes.

However, it could be possible that we may invoke the rules currently in place for non-EU footballers, notably that they have to be a regular for their country and play a certain percentage of games over a predetermined timescale. That would mean no more Ulloas, Knockaerts, Brunos, Calderons, etc. Remember Ulloa couldn't play in this country until he sorted his italian passport out.

This is a good point. These are FA rules rather than immigration rules and I am not sure if they would be relaxed for EU citizens or for those already here and playing.

 

[El Presidente]

We will have control of immigration - i.e. the UK set the rules and decide how much we want - as distinct from free movement which we can't control. How do you get from that to saying we won't have foreign footballers? Dramatic statements are all well and good but are more persuasive if there is at least some basis in fact.

Here are the facts. Presently there is an "Australian style points based system" in respect of Non-EU football players who want to play in English football. This is a combination of their domestic country's FIFA ranking and the proportion of international matches the player has played in the last two years.

If the wishes of the Brexit camp are achieved to reduce migration to the 'tens of thousands' mentioned in the Conservative manifesto and supported by both the Prime Ministerial candidates a similar rule would presumably be applied to EU players after Brexit.

If so non international EU players such as I mentioned before (Calde, Bruno, Ulloa et al) would not qualify and the contribution they have made would not have been seen. Instead their place would have given to domestic players.

PL clubs are less likely to be affected as their signings are more likely to be established internationals. Even so, last season, Payet at West Ham, Kante at Leicester and Martial at Manchester United would have not been able to join those clubs.

This is however good news for locally born players whose jobs have been stolen by foreigners.

Whether fans would rather have seen more of the likes of Leon Best instead of Ulloa or Paddy McCourt instead of Knockaert is debatable.

Surely you must agree that if the aim is to get migration down from 300,000 to the stated 50-60,000 then the priority should be for skilled people in medicine, science, education, finance, research and so on, rather than non-international footballers?

 

[El Presidente]

That's the dream.

Means Spurs would keep hold of such stars as David Lee, that will be a delight.

Another affect with the decreased overseas players - The TV companies won't pay the billions they do now, How would Bloom react to that? Whilst he is a Brighton fan I am sure he won't stick around with no TV money and no chance of getting anything back from being promoted and cashing in.

Premier League will still be attractive as they can afford to pay the £20-40million it costs to sign an established international, unlike clubs in the Championship.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Here are the facts. Presently there is an "Australian style points based system" in respect of Non-EU football players who want to play in English football. This is a combination of their domestic country's FIFA ranking and the proportion of international matches the player has played in the last two years.

If the wishes of the Brexit camp are achieved to reduce migration to the 'tens of thousands' mentioned in the Conservative manifesto and supported by both the Prime Ministerial candidates a similar rule would presumably be applied to EU players after Brexit.

If so non international EU players such as I mentioned before (Calde, Bruno, Ulloa et al) would not qualify and the contribution they have made would not have been seen. Instead their place would have given to domestic players.

PL clubs are less likely to be affected as their signings are more likely to be established internationals. Even so, last season, Payet at West Ham, Kante at Leicester and Martial at Manchester United would have not been able to join those clubs.

This is however good news for locally born players whose jobs have been stolen by foreigners.

Whether fans would rather have seen more of the likes of Leon Best instead of Ulloa or Paddy McCourt instead of Knockaert is debatable.

Surely you must agree that if the aim is to get migration down from 300,000 to the stated 50-60,000 then the priority should be for skilled people in medicine, science, education, finance, research and so on, rather than non-international footballers?

Or whether fans would rather have seen more of the likes of Connor Goldson instead of Elvis Manu.

 

[5ways]

Or whether fans would rather have seen more of the likes of Connor Goldson instead of Elvis Manu.

You appreciate this would push any half-decent player's valuation up much higher limiting our ability to buy players such as Goldson? We will end up paying over the odds for mediocrity. Which is actually not a bad way to sum up Brexit.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You appreciate this would push any half-decent player's valuation up much higher limiting our ability to buy players such as Goldson? We will end up paying over the odds for mediocrity. Which is actually not a bad way to sum up Brexit.

I appreciate nothing has been decided re access to buy foreign players born in Europe despite people suggesting otherwise.

 

[portslade seagull]

You appreciate this would push any half-decent player's valuation up much higher limiting our ability to buy players such as Goldson? We will end up paying over the odds for mediocrity. Which is actually not a bad way to sum up Brexit.

Well for me if this happens it just means clubs will need to nurture their own talent again rather than paying inflated fees for poor foreign equivalents. Can only be good for the home nations .... mind you nothing seems to help England

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

You appreciate this would push any half-decent player's valuation up much higher limiting our ability to buy players such as Goldson? We will end up paying over the odds for mediocrity. Which is actually not a bad way to sum up Brexit.

Of course some (not all) foreign players are here for ££'s, as a result the players get the benefit and the vast majority (fans) pay the ultimate price....strange thing is that players wages could fall and normal peoples wages may rise after Brexit....

 

[5ways]

Well for me if this happens it just means clubs will need to nurture their own talent again rather than paying inflated fees for poor foreign equivalents. Can only be good for the home nations .... mind you nothing seems to help England

Well what about the end consumer - us? It's like everything else with less immigration. More expensive and less value, football, tomatoes, driveways etc. Reducing competition does not in any way drive up quality.

 

[5ways]

Of course some (not all) foreign players are here for ££'s, as a result the players get the benefit and the vast majority (fans) pay the ultimate price....strange thing is that players wages could fall and normal peoples wages may rise after Brexit....

Strange because it is deeply unlikely? if there are less players but a similar pool of cash what do you think the agents will demand? If you can't bring in a Romanian kid from their domestic league the only people who benefit are rubbish English footballers. We then have to watch lesser football on inflated wages. Competition is good.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Well what about the end consumer - us? It's like everything else with less immigration. More expensive and less value, football, tomatoes, driveways etc. Reducing competition does not in any way drive up quality.

What about the worker? I'm not sure which area you work in but how would you like it/cope if your sector was flooded with people who could do the same job and be paid more in a week and a half on the UK minimum/living wage than they could in a month in their home country? Would they be more likely to work harder/ longer hours be more flexible therefore more employable?

The truth is we know no one would appreciate this happening in their job but far to many are happy to accept it if it effects only those lower down the pay scale.

Best summed up as an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.