[News] Morgan Stanley begins move away from London

[portslade seagull]

I dont get the moaning about the "moaning". A significant proportion of the country disagrees with another significant part of the population. This isnt going away until there are credible options put forward to the country as part of a general election

The vote has gone ,there will not be another . The new PM Whoever that maybe now needs to deal with it and get moving on the terms of our exit

 

[portslade seagull]

Indeed we do, however not many Brexiters seem to have any solutions to what they wanted.

Don't you think that the elected government should've had these solutions in place before giving us the chance of a referendum, or were they too conceited in their beliefs. If they didn't it's a very poor show

 

[portslade seagull]

The poster 'Spicy' informed us it took "courage" to vote out, which I responded to.

Your inability to read properly or understand what has been written marks you down as a "leaver".....am I correct ?

Here we go down the stereotype of anybody who dared vote out. Sadly thats where it is wrong in my case because I have a good job my own house and good savings but still believe we will be better out of the EU

 

[pastafarian]

Could you tell me what these solutions are so that I can decide if I want to vote for this "elected leader"?

cant you just pick up a newspaper or watch tv news like the rest of us will have to.

the solutions will become apparent enough as we negotiate the exit of the eu

 

[Hampster Gull]

The vote has gone ,there will not be another . The new PM Whoever that maybe now needs to deal with it and get moving on the terms of our exit

It was our second referendum on this, are you saying there will never be a third? Our elected representatives change law and a general election run on this may result in a different outcome, may not need a referendum. I suspect its an exit, just its not the only outcome, thats all

 

[smeg]

cant you just pick up a newspaper or watch tv news like the rest of us will have to.

the solutions will become apparent enough as we negotiate the exit of the eu

Just wait and see, right?

 

[Spicy]

Wasn't 43 years of EU membership enough of a long term indicator?

Yes exactly and one the greatest reasons for voting out. Are you claiming that it has been wonderful, with all the restrictions/red tape affecting our farms and fisheries policy, and how we have to keep the scum of the earth here because of the European Court of Human Rights? We now have a chance to stand up for ourselves without being ruled by others.

 

[Spicy]

Don't you think that the elected government should've had these solutions in place before giving us the chance of a referendum, or were they too conceited in their beliefs. If they didn't it's a very poor show

The government underestimated the feelings of the British public and arrogantly thought "remain" was a foregone conclusion. Talk about being out of touch.

 

[Spicy]

Indeed we do, however not many Brexiters seem to have any solutions to what they wanted.

Maybe that is because we are not Government policy makers. We are in a state of political upheaval with Cameron jumping ship, and the need to vote in a new leader. These things take time - Europe is a sinking ship and the Brexiters have found a "lifeboat" - you may well be happy about that in time.

 

[Spicy]

This is kind of the problem I have with leavers post the result. You say give the financial institutions a chance and it'll all be okay (without saying how). You and the other leavers don't suggest how the city of London will continue to function (bringing in something like 30% of our tax revenue when denied access to the single market. Oh ho leavers say but we will have access despite the fact that everyone with any say in the matter says not without free movement of labour you won't. As that's about the only thing left out of the leavers promises, are they giving that up as well? In which case what was the point? Or are they sticking to it in which case the financial institutions will not be magically okay. Dealing with these questions needs realistic and achievable solutions. Where are they? All I hear is pie in the sky wishful thinking at the moment.

We all know how volatile the markets are and many have recovered and the City of London no doubt made massive profits by clever trading prior to the result. Sterling was artificially inflated before the vote so the downward spiral was exaggerated by that. There are no easy answers but the fact that HSBC and Barclays have now decided not to move staff out of London could possibly be an indication that all is not lost.

 

[Bakero]

Yes exactly and one the greatest reasons for voting out. Are you claiming that it has been wonderful, with all the restrictions/red tape affecting our farms and fisheries policy, and how we have to keep the scum of the earth here because of the European Court of Human Rights? We now have a chance to stand up for ourselves without being ruled by others.

All members of the Council of Europe have adopted the European Convention on Human Rights, not just EU states. Are we leaving the Council of Europe now too?

 

[Spicy]

It is 'courage' ( or stupidity) if you decide to jump into the unknown without fear for your own safety.

It is not 'courage' to jump into the unknown and dragging people who don't want to jump to the unknown fate you want. That is utter selfishness.

Your ability to fail to understand the difference sums up many of those who voted to leave.

Using your analogy - was it therefore cowardly that the remainers voted remain, never wishing to take a risk It is not exactly the unknown is it, unless you are living in a bubble. The UK actually existed before we were part of Europe and we can do so again, and can forge new deals both with countries within Europe but also other trading partners.

 

[Spicy]

All members of the Council of Europe have adopted the European Convention on Human Rights, not just EU states. Are we leaving the Council of Europe now too?

You tell me as you are obviously an expert in all things European and are no doubt a remainer!

 

[Bakero]

You tell me as you are obviously an expert in all things European and are no doubt a remainer!

I wouldn't say I'm an expert but I have a basic understanding of European institutions.

Here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relat...of_Justice_and_European_Court_of_Human_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Council_of_Europe

 

[portslade seagull]

It was our second referendum on this, are you saying there will never be a third? Our elected representatives change law and a general election run on this may result in a different outcome, may not need a referendum. I suspect its an exit, just its not the only outcome, thats all

I fully believe there will be another referendum but it's probably 20 odd yrs away

 

[El Presidente]

Why is there to be less choice?

1: By having a smaller economy as a result of Brexit the economy can afford fewer items.

2:By restricting migration as a result of Brexit you end up with fewer providers. So no Ulloa, Calderon, Bruno, Knockaert, but more Leon Best's and Chris O'Grady's (I'm assuming here that if the government is serious about reducing migration by 60-80% that non-international footballers are not top of the list of essential employees.

 

[El Presidente]

Didn't that happen after the banking crisis though and it has bounced back

It took 7 years to bounce back.

 

[portslade seagull]

We all know how volatile the markets are and many have recovered and the City of London no doubt made massive profits by clever trading prior to the result. Sterling was artificially inflated before the vote so the downward spiral was exaggerated by that. There are no easy answers but the fact that HSBC and Barclays have now decided not to move staff out of London could possibly be an indication that all is not lost.

They were never going to move. It was all part of the bully boy scare tactics which some seem to be still utilising. Remember more jobs were lost in the banking crash from 2008 onwards then could ever be lost after this vote. I doubt many if any will go it's just posturing

 

[portslade seagull]

It took 7 years to bounce back.

And thousands off job losses and bank closures which are still happening today irrespective of the vote

 

[Diego Napier]

Clearly the national debt is down to being in the EU or coming out? Do you believe our life expectancey, the delivery of high quality care in the NHS, the openess of our society which makes the disabled, the LGBT and race relations s worse than at any time in history. Do you feel safe on the streets, can you afford to eat out, how much do you spent at the Amex each time you go, do travel abroad on holiday, do your children go to university or have a greater opportunity to do so and you think the times in which we live are worse then those which have gone before us.
I don't worry about the national debt any ore than I worry abut China invading Australia, its beyond my control, out of my reach and therefore not worth worrying about.

I'm not bemoaning the quality of life that we experience in this country, I'm decrying the way in which the ever increasing burden of paying for it has been bequethed to our children.