[Albion] Moises Caicedo - New contract signed until summer 2027 with 1 year extra option.

[S'hampton Seagull]

The Albion board have handled this situation impeccably. It is very rare now to get huge deal between Prem clubs in the January window, especially when the selling club does not wish to sell and financially doesn't need to sell.

I think that midfielders like Caicedo are golddust - nobody bats an eyelid at the £100million price tag attached to Declan Rice and yet - whilst he is a quality player - I'll happily stick with Caicedo thanks.

The increasingly athletic nature of the Prem means the Top 6 are desperate for his like. Liverpool have lost their zip and have dropped like a stone, similarly Chelsea's pedestrian football means they're midtable. I think between them Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea need 5 players of that ilk, so there is sure to be a bidding war in the summer.

All of this, good post.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

No, it's not.
Arsenal have the resources to scout and develop players but they are either crap at it or too lazy and impatient.

This. Why not just let the Albion do all the hard graft then just wave your magic money wand and get your wishlist granted?

 

[highflyer]

The excellent Rory Smith made a very similar point on the 5Live Monday Night Club a few months back. I'm guessing it was sometime around the beginning of the season when Potter was still with us.

In essence, he said the "big clubs" were happy to let the "small clubs" do the scouting, recruiting and polishing and then pay them handsomely for their efforts once a player was PL-proven.

Like it or not, that is largely how it is, isn't it?

The 'pay them handsomely' bit is doing a LOT of work in this particular deal though.

Going to have to be 'young Marlon Brando' levels of handsome to get this one over the line.

 

[axscott]

£45m bid for Gallagher from Everton, only increases the value of Caicedo when silly money like that is being thrown at players like him!

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

Moises Caicedo is an anagram of ‘I caos comedies’, with ‘caos’ being Spanish for ‘chaos’.

He was warning us in plain sight that he would bring a chaotic yet funny saga to the club but the scouts chose to ignore this. Shambles.

And yes I’m on my lunchbreak.

 

[Springal]

£45m bid for Gallagher from Everton, only increases the value of Caicedo when silly money like that is being thrown at players like him!

Hilarious. So basically they’ve sold Gordon, then spent all the money on someone else. Good luck if they get relegated

 

[Seasider78]

The Albion board have handled this situation impeccably. It is very rare now to get huge deal between Prem clubs in the January window, especially when the selling club does not wish to sell and financially doesn't need to sell.

I think that midfielders like Caicedo are golddust - nobody bats an eyelid at the £100million price tag attached to Declan Rice and yet - whilst he is a quality player - I'll happily stick with Caicedo thanks.

The increasingly athletic nature of the Prem means the Top 6 are desperate for his like. Liverpool have lost their zip and have dropped like a stone, similarly Chelsea's pedestrian football means they're midtable. I think between them Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea need 5 players of that ilk, so there is sure to be a bidding war in the summer.

We should also take some time to thank Todd Boehly for helping to raise the benchmark for pricing PL quality midfielders and introducing a new £120m+ level for World Cup winning ones.

I am sure this will help Bloom and Barber hugely in the inevitable summer bidding war

 

[SUIYHP]

£45m bid for Gallagher from Everton, only increases the value of Caicedo when silly money like that is being thrown at players like him!

Reeks of total desperation. Id be embarrassed if I was an Everton fan.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

It is true though.

Yep. It is true.

Let's have a look at the current England team. Most of the players were developed at 'lower' teams first and then bought by the 'bigger' teams. The managers at the top 6 know they are a bad 2 months away from getting the sack in most cases. They are not interested in trying to incorporate 'unknowns' from Ecuador etc into their squads with the hope that they find a few gems. 1 they don't want to risk the results and 2 making profit on these players is no where near as crucial to their business model as it is to a team in our situation

England team - Pickford - Started at a relegated Sunderland. Went to Everton
Walker - Sheffield United to Spurs
Shaw - Soton youth to Man Utd
Maguire - Sheffield United, Hull, Leicester, Man Utd
Stones - Barnsley to Everton then Man City
Rice - Still at a non big 6 team
Mount - Loaned to Derby, got his chance at Chelsea in Frank's youth revolution during the transfer embargo
Bellingham - Birmingham City to Dortmund
and so on

We have teams knocking down our door for 1 or 2 players per season, One or Two. Not all 11. We put together a cheap team and a few gems get picked off.

We are also not first, second or 3rd, showing that, however BRILLIANT we are playing at the moment, the talent we have is, overall, less than the 'big' teams, so you can't really criticise their current model or playing tried and tested players and then trying to buy the best players from the rest of the league. It's proven to work and they can afford to do it.

 

[jimhigham]

Reeks of total desperation. Id be embarrassed if I was an Everton fan.

I know a couple and they really are.

 

[Sheebo]

Yep. It is true.

Let's have a look at the current England team. Most of the players were developed at 'lower' teams first and then bought by the 'bigger' teams. The managers at the top 6 know they are a bad 2 months away from getting the sack in most cases. They are not interested in trying to incorporate 'unknowns' from Ecuador etc into their squads with the hope that they find a few gems. 1 they don't want to risk the results and 2 making profit on these players is no where near as crucial to their business model as it is to a team in our situation

England team - Pickford - Started at a relegated Sunderland. Went to Everton
Walker - Sheffield United to Spurs
Shaw - Soton youth to Man Utd
Maguire - Sheffield United, Hull, Leicester, Man Utd
Stones - Barnsley to Everton then Man City
Rice - Still at a non big 6 team
Mount - Loaned to Derby, got his chance at Chelsea in Frank's youth revolution during the transfer embargo
Bellingham - Birmingham City to Dortmund
and so on

We have teams knocking down our door for 1 or 2 players per season, One or Two. Not all 11. We put together a cheap team and a few gems get picked off.

We are also not first, second or 3rd, showing that, however BRILLIANT we are playing at the moment, the talent we have is, overall, less than the 'big' teams, so you can't really criticise their current model or playing tried and tested players and then trying to buy the best players from the rest of the league. It's proven to work and they can afford to do it.

Can’t see any there that were developed at premier league clubs currently in the top 6

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

No, it's not.
Arsenal have the resources to scout and develop players but they are either crap at it or too lazy and impatient.

Not the best time to come out with this statement when their current squad (whilst top of the league) includes:

Saliba (signed when 19 i think), Marquinhos, Martinelli, Smith-Rowe, Saka and Nketiah

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Can’t see any there that were developed at premier league clubs currently in the top 6

That's literally my point.

 

[KZNSeagull]

It didn't take Arsenal fans long to bring out the big club bollocks - up until 6 months ago they were shite and had been shite for years. Hopefully they will revert to being suitably shite in the next few months too.

 

[Sheebo]

That's literally my point.

You said it’s true that the arsenal fan said Brightons role is to develop talent for Arsenal etc. then listed a load of lower clubs than Brighton are now who developed other players. And I said none of those clubs were in the top 6 of the prem like we currently are. It’s not our job to do that, we’re higher up the spectrum now no?

Unless I’ve read what you said wrong you are justifying arsenal fans saying it’s our job to develop players for them?

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

Yep. It is true.

Let's have a look at the current England team. Most of the players were developed at 'lower' teams first and then bought by the 'bigger' teams. The managers at the top 6 know they are a bad 2 months away from getting the sack in most cases. They are not interested in trying to incorporate 'unknowns' from Ecuador etc into their squads with the hope that they find a few gems. 1 they don't want to risk the results and 2 making profit on these players is no where near as crucial to their business model as it is to a team in our situation

England team - Pickford - Started at a relegated Sunderland. Went to Everton
Walker - Sheffield United to Spurs
Shaw - Soton youth to Man Utd
Maguire - Sheffield United, Hull, Leicester, Man Utd
Stones - Barnsley to Everton then Man City
Rice - Still at a non big 6 team
Mount - Loaned to Derby, got his chance at Chelsea in Frank's youth revolution during the transfer embargo
Bellingham - Birmingham City to Dortmund
and so on

We have teams knocking down our door for 1 or 2 players per season, One or Two. Not all 11. We put together a cheap team and a few gems get picked off.

We are also not first, second or 3rd, showing that, however BRILLIANT we are playing at the moment, the talent we have is, overall, less than the 'big' teams, so you can't really criticise their current model or playing tried and tested players and then trying to buy the best players from the rest of the league. It's proven to work and they can afford to do it.

How about Rashford, Kane or Foden? They all been dropped?

 

[SeagullinExile]

It is true though.

That may be so, but isn’t it about time somebody told them where to go?

I honestly think the so called big teams are shitting their pants, worrying that a mid table team like ourselves, Fulham or Brentford are going to break their monopoly of the English game.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

How about Rashford, Kane or Foden? They all been dropped?

That's why I said most.

Not all.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

You said it’s true that the arsenal fan said Brightons role is to develop talent for Arsenal etc. then listed a load of lower clubs than Brighton are now who developed other players. And I said none of those clubs were in the top 6 of the prem like we currently are. It’s not our job to do that, we’re higher up the spectrum now no?

Unless I’ve read what you said wrong you are justifying arsenal fans saying it’s our job to develop players for them?

You've read it wrong.

 

[Sheebo]

You've read it wrong.

Ah ok that hurt my head…!