Missing Woman in London

[carlzeiss]

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/sarah-everard-6pm-curfew-men-20090712

Sarah Everard: 6pm curfew for men proposed in Parliament by Green Party Baroness

 

[Poojah]

Are you really looking to make this thread about race? Really? Quite literally [emoji2357]

More so than perhaps than ever before, the media is desperate for clicks and eyeballs - we’ve seen this in the way that Covid has been reported at times over the course of the last year or so. If a story is going to resonate, it will get the headlines, much less so if it’s component parts don’t match that formula or narrative.

I don’t think this thread needs to become a bin fest, but it’s a little naive to fail to acknowledge that the victim here ticked a lot of boxes from a media coverage perspective. She was young, female, professional, seemingly stable, attractive and, yes, white. When you start to change one or more of those characteristics, the chances of the story becoming national headline news does decrease in my opinion.

What if she was 60? Male? Unemployed? Had a history of drug abuse? And then, the most uncomfortable one, what if she was black or Asian? A combination of things happen when you alter those things. On the one hand (and I’m thinking less of race here but more on the other points) the person is deemed to be of less importance / value to society. On the other, there becomes an assumed narrative that is deemed less likely to have just been an innocent girl waking home from a friend’s house, and more likely to be related to the person’s own individual circumstances.

I think that race is by no means the biggest factor in this, but it probably had a role to play in the interest in the story at the outset. I’m not sure that’s something driven by the media either, but rather society more broadly. That will take decades to change.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/sarah-everard-6pm-curfew-men-20090712

Sarah Everard: 6pm curfew for men proposed in Parliament by Green Party Baroness

Yes imprisoning half the population in their homes every night is the way forward. The not so thin end of the wedge.

 

[Silverhatch]

I'm always wary of a woman walking alone at night, especially if I'm walking behind and catching up.

On every occasion, I've crossed the road and carried on.

Quite a few times, from the other side of the road, I've said where I am going.

Most times, when we go different ways, there is acknowledgement , but it's really sad that's how it is,

This. Always think how my daughter/wife - both confident woman - feel hearing footsteps 10 feet behind them on a dark street (well I know because they’ve told me over the years... intimidated/anxious/scared).

 

[GT49er]

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/sarah-everard-6pm-curfew-men-20090712

Sarah Everard: 6pm curfew for men proposed in Parliament by Green Party Baroness

Batty old green party woman reaches new heights of stupidity.

 

[Guinness Boy]

More so than perhaps than ever before, the media is desperate for clicks and eyeballs - we’ve seen this in the way that Covid has been reported at times over the course of the last year or so. If a story is going to resonate, it will get the headlines, much less so if it’s component parts don’t match that formula or narrative.

I don’t think this thread needs to become a bin fest, but it’s a little naive to fail to acknowledge that the victim here ticked a lot of boxes from a media coverage perspective. She was young, female, professional, seemingly stable, attractive and, yes, white. When you start to change one or more of those characteristics, the chances of the story becoming national headline news does decrease in my opinion.

What if she was 60? Male? Unemployed? Had a history of drug abuse? And then, the most uncomfortable one, what if she was black or Asian? A combination of things happen when you alter those things. On the one hand (and I’m thinking less of race here but more on the other points) the person is deemed to be of less importance / value to society. On the other, there becomes an assumed narrative that is deemed less likely to have just been an innocent girl waking home from a friend’s house, and more likely to be related to the person’s own individual circumstances.

I think that race is by no means the biggest factor in this, but it probably had a role to play in the interest in the story at the outset. I’m not sure that’s something driven by the media either, but rather society more broadly. That will take decades to change.

That's a perfectly reasonable post. Of reasonable length, not personal, with your thoughts justified. Unfortunately a thread about a young woman's death was heading for the Bear Pit earlier this morning.

 

[Chicken Run]

More so than perhaps than ever before, the media is desperate for clicks and eyeballs - we’ve seen this in the way that Covid has been reported at times over the course of the last year or so. If a story is going to resonate, it will get the headlines, much less so if it’s component parts don’t match that formula or narrative.

I don’t think this thread needs to become a bin fest, but it’s a little naive to fail to acknowledge that the victim here ticked a lot of boxes from a media coverage perspective. She was young, female, professional, seemingly stable, attractive and, yes, white. When you start to change one or more of those characteristics, the chances of the story becoming national headline news does decrease in my opinion.

What if she was 60? Male? Unemployed? Had a history of drug abuse? And then, the most uncomfortable one, what if she was black or Asian? A combination of things happen when you alter those things. On the one hand (and I’m thinking less of race here but more on the other points) the person is deemed to be of less importance / value to society. On the other, there becomes an assumed narrative that is deemed less likely to have just been an innocent girl waking home from a friend’s house, and more likely to be related to the person’s own individual circumstances.

I think that race is by no means the biggest factor in this, but it probably had a role to play in the interest in the story at the outset. I’m not sure that’s something driven by the media either, but rather society more broadly. That will take decades to change.

Meanwhile the rest of us are just sad that a person has lost their life,

 

[herecomesaregular]

This. Always think how my daughter/wife - both confident woman - feel hearing footsteps 10 feet behind them on a dark street (well I know because they’ve told me over the years... intimidated/anxious/scared).

This is why, sadly, I no longer wear my tap-shoes when I go out of an evening.

 

[Poojah]

Meanwhile the rest of us are just sad that a person has lost their life,

As am I, it’s an incredibly sad story - how can you not be moved by these events? I was just trying to add a degree of rational perspective to a debate that seemed in danger of derailing a very sensitive thread.

Apologies if you found my post crass - that wasn’t my intention.

 

[Fred Oliver - Legend]

You do wonder if it would have been constant, dominating front page news had it been an ‘ugly’ black woman. Looks eh?

The most shocking part of this sad tale is that the officer is white and not black, especially considering the area too. All very strange and the more details that come out the more intriguing it is. Something has gone very wrong somewhere. Thoughts and prayers to the lady’s friends and family’s. R.I.P

 

[Notters]

are we even going to turn this into an argument for **** sake....

Should we just accept an assertion that the media is overtly racist then?

 

[dazzer6666]

]The most shocking part of this sad tale is that the officer is white and not black,[/B] especially considering the area too. All very strange and the more details that come out the more intriguing it is. Something has gone very wrong somewhere. Thoughts and prayers to the lady’s friends and family’s. R.I.P

It really isn’t.

 

[A1X]

There was an interesting article in the Guardian a couple of years back about how cities are dealing with the issue

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/dec/13/what-would-a-city-that-is-safe-for-women-look-like

 

[Springal]

The most shocking part of this sad tale is that the officer is white and not black, especially considering the area too. All very strange and the more details that come out the more intriguing it is. Something has gone very wrong somewhere. Thoughts and prayers to the lady’s friends and family’s. R.I.P

I don’t believe anyone with access to the internet is this stupid ?

 

[lawros left foot]

The most shocking part of this sad tale is that the officer is white and not black, especially considering the area too. All very strange and the more details that come out the more intriguing it is. Something has gone very wrong somewhere. Thoughts and prayers to the lady’s friends and family’s. R.I.P

The most shocking part of THIS sad tale is that you thought it was appropriate to post this comment.

 

[Chicken Run]

The most shocking part of this sad tale is that the officer is white and not black, especially considering the area too. All very strange and the more details that come out the more intriguing it is. Something has gone very wrong somewhere. Thoughts and prayers to the lady’s friends and family’s. R.I.P

[emoji2357]

 

[Fred Oliver - Legend]

The most shocking part of THIS sad tale is that you thought it was appropriate to post this comment.

?? Could you explain please.

 

[drew]

Yes imprisoning half the population in their homes every night is the way forward. The not so thin end of the wedge.

Think she knows it's a ridiculous idea but used it to promote the conversation on the basis that the Police are suggesting women do more to protect themselves including not going out at night, ie what's sauce for the goose etc...

It's a dumb idea, especially as the statistics are that of the women killed, most are killed by their partner.

Furthermore, there is more background emerging to this particular case involving previous alleged activities of the officer concerned.

 

[lawros left foot]

?? Could you explain please.

Does it need explaining?

Can’t you see what’s wrong with your post?

 

[Ooh it’s a corner]

?? Could you explain please.

Don’t be silly. You must know perfectly well what is wrong with the first part of your post