Missing Woman in London

[dazzer6666]

What about if your daughter was 30, 5'ft 5 & what some might call attractive, and your son 28, 6ft tall and what some might call attractive?
Still taking that 10 min, half a mile walk from their destination scenario (their own homes, as they don't live at home anymore), would you say to both of them (they are in different places and don't know that the other one is out), 'yeah I'll pay for your Uber'? If you did say yes to both of them, would you be saying yes for the same fears and reasons? This is a genuine question, I don't doubt for one second that you'd be out of the door to pick up either one of them in real life.

Daughter is 27, 5’1 and not really for me to judge attractiveness, son is 23, 5’9 and as fit as a butcher’s dog. Not sure what you mean by ‘fears and reasons’ - either could be attacked, I just think it more likely my son would be. Feral groups of lads attack lads - that’s a more likely scenario in my mind.

Not sure I can answer to be honest - I’d be worried about both, would pay for both and would rush out to pick either of them up (yes, even now at their ages).

 

[dazzer6666]

The debate is confusing risk with fear.

1) Men are far more likely to be murdered and far more likely to murdered in a public place by a stranger.
2) Women are far more likely to be in fear of walking alone at night than men.

However fear is real and nobody bases it simply on risk alone. If that was the case nobody would be afraid of flying. Society needs to understand why women are frightened walking the streets and what everyone needs to do to change that.

To a women walking alone any man can be viewed as a potential attacker, but men generally don't view it like that.

There might be something us men can learn from social distancing to help that.

Absolutely, 100%, this.

To add to my other reply, I am sure my daughter would be far more worried about walking home than my son.

 

[essbee1]

irrespective of gender, I did martial arts for a long time when I was younger and it does
sadden me that some basic techniques for repelling an attack (ok - so I don't claim that it would work in every
case) could be taught in a matter of hours and maybe, just maybe help someone perhaps. Maybe not and maybe I'm
trivialising the issue, but I always try to encourage people to get into this as a skill for fitness and
confidence.

 

[sydney]

tragic when a beautiful young woman has her life snuffed out by the very thing that is supposed to be there to protect and serve ....very sad , RIP young lady and as for the perpetrator ......hang it.

 

[Bombadier Botty]

tragic when a beautiful young woman has her life snuffed out by the very thing that is supposed to be there to protect and serve ....very sad , RIP young lady and as for the perpetrator ......hang it.

You do wonder if it would have been constant, dominating front page news had it been an ‘ugly’ black woman. Looks eh?

 

[Chicken Run]

You do wonder if it would have been constant, dominating front page news had it been an ‘ugly’ black woman. Looks eh?

Without doubt it would be all over the front pages, the reason that this story is has everything to do with who has been arrested, shame you have to bring race into this tragic story. Shame on you.

 

[Bombadier Botty]

Without doubt it would be all over the front pages, the reason that this story is has everything to do with who has been arrested, shame you have to bring race into this tragic story. Shame on you.

100%.

 

[B-right-on]

Without doubt it would be all over the front pages, the reason that this story is has everything to do with who has been arrested, shame you have to bring race into this tragic story. Shame on you.

I agree with the other guy and he has every right to offer an opinion. I've got several black and mixed race mates. Try being with them for a bit and your opinion will soon change. Of both the police and society in general.

It would be funny if it was not tragic

 

[Bombadier Botty]

I agree with the other guy and he has every right to offer an opinion. I've got several black and mixed race mates. Try being with them for a bit and your opinion will soon change. Of both the police and society in general.

It would be funny if it was not tragic

The ‘aesthetic’ of the victim undoubtedly plays a part in media coverage. It is a cynical, hit driven industry as much as people would like to believe otherwise, and the BBC, or whoever, have always played that game.

 

[sydney]

You do wonder if it would have been constant, dominating front page news had it been an ‘ugly’ black woman. Looks eh?

i'm sure , in the current climate the disappearance and murder of such a person seemingly at the hands of a met officer would have been given equal coverage .

 

[Bombadier Botty]

i'm sure , in the current climate the disappearance and murder of such a person seemingly at the hands of a met officer would have been given equal coverage .

It would have been a lead story absolutely but the visual content presented would have been very different.

 

[sydney]

It would have been a lead story absolutely but the visual content presented would have been very different.

well at a time when the govt are relying on the police to enforce covid rules and restrictions surely a story such as this is a bit of a body blow , nice bit of whataboutery though all the same .....

 

[Notters]

Without doubt it would be all over the front pages, the reason that this story is has everything to do with who has been arrested, shame you have to bring race into this tragic story. Shame on you.

It was front page news before they arrested anybody.

 

[sydney]

It was front page news before they arrested anybody.

are we even going to turn this into an argument for **** sake....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The debate is confusing risk with fear.

1) Men are far more likely to be murdered and far more likely to murdered in a public place by a stranger.
2) Women are far more likely to be in fear of walking alone at night than men.

However fear is real and nobody bases it simply on risk alone. If that was the case nobody would be afraid of flying. Society needs to understand why women are frightened walking the streets and what everyone needs to do to change that.

To a women walking alone any man can be viewed as a potential attacker, but men generally don't view it like that.

There might be something us men can learn from social distancing to help that.

The fear comes from experience. My daughter saw a flasher when she was 13 walking home from school.
I know of at least two cases of sexual assaults by taxi drivers locally, on women.
Every woman has experienced unwanted attention.

It’s true women are far more likely to be murdered at home, and two are. Every week.

 

[wellquickwoody]

No, what he is saying is true. You may not like it, but it is true.

Every woman you know has taken a different route. Every woman you know has held keys for self defence. Every woman you know has made a fake phone call. Every woman you know has turned a corner and run. Every woman you know has walked in fear.

Without doubt very true, but many men have done similar.

This is also true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender

 

[Hugo Rune]

tragic when a beautiful young woman has her life snuffed out by the very thing that is supposed to be there to protect and serve ....very sad , RIP young lady and as for the perpetrator ......hang it.

If someone could only smuggle a belt to the man, it seems he’d do it himself.

 

[Chicken Run]

are we even going to turn this into an argument for **** sake....

It’s truly pathetic isn’t it [emoji1745]God knows how these peeps get through the day!

 

[Chicken Run]

I agree with the other guy and he has every right to offer an opinion. I've got several black and mixed race mates. Try being with them for a bit and your opinion will soon change. Of both the police and society in general.

It would be funny if it was not tragic

Are you really looking to make this thread about race? Really? Quite literally [emoji2357]

 

[Guinness Boy]

Another thread ban has been issued. This is getting locked if it turns into a bin fest. Sort yourselves out.