[News] Missing Lancashire woman

[Lenny Rider]

The headteacher family suicide/murder is equally tragic.

As is the 16 year old murdered in the park in Warrington.

It’s a shit old world at the moment.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

As is the 16 year old murdered in the park in Warrington.

It’s a shit old world at the moment.

It always has been. The murder rate is around 600 per year in the U.K.

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Analyses of information held within the Home Office Homicide Index, which contains detailed record-level information about each homicide recorded by police in England and Wales.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Lenny Rider]

It always has been. The murder rate is around 600 per year in the U.K.

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Analyses of information held within the Home Office Homicide Index, which contains detailed record-level information about each homicide recorded by police in England and Wales.

www.ons.gov.uk

And in 2019 (pre covid) the annual adult suicide rate in England and Wales was around 5,500, given the current government’s “pull up the ladder”attitude to Mental Health, you could argue a proportion of this figure could almost be classed as ‘State Murder’?

 

[portlock seagull]

Given family have asked for appalling speculation around her case to end, perhaps decent thing to do would be for Mods to delete this thread?

 

[clapham_gull]

Given family have asked for appalling speculation around her case to end, perhaps decent thing to do would be for Mods to delete this thread?

It doesn't account for much in the big scheme of things, but it feels the right thing to do now you have suggested it.

 

[dazzer6666]

Not sure about that - it’s still a major news story and there will be developments worthy of discussion which will only result in a new thread anyway.

 

[Eric the meek]

Given family have asked for appalling speculation around her case to end, perhaps decent thing to do would be for Mods to delete this thread?

What the family are reported to have asked for, is that the 'appalling speculation surrounding her private life needs to stop.' - BBC.

Without reading the whole thread again, I don't recall any speculation, appalling or otherwise, on here, regarding her private life.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And in 2019 (pre covid) the annual adult suicide rate in England and Wales was around 5,500, given the current government’s “pull up the ladder”attitude to Mental Health, you could argue a proportion of this figure could almost be classed as ‘State Murder’?

I have no time for the Dave/Theresa/Jobbins/Cheese/Sunak gang, but I'd not accuse them of state murder. To be fair.

 

[Zeberdi]

Given family have asked for appalling speculation around her case to end, perhaps decent thing to do would be for Mods to delete this thread?

Maybe not delete completely? - that would be a bit drastic but it wouldn’t really bother me if it was closed for further comments tbh

- the idle discussion and morbid curiosity into what happened to this poor lady has just about run its course IMO

I think other posters have made good points about the media focus on the Nicola Bulley story compared to other equally horrible things in the news -and talked about prejudice and media selection bias -

However, the NSC response to recent events seems to reflect the same bias IMO For example - 12 pages on one vulnerable woman going missing yet a thread about the absolute devastating impact an Earthquake has had on Syrian refugees and Turkish citizens (including proving links links to how we can help) has received little interest nor attracted the compassionate comments that we’ve seen posted on this thread. Endless discussions about this one mortgage advisor who went missing yet a thread that has highlighted the tragedy of up to 75,000 Syrians and Turkish people dead or dying in the horriblest of circumstances imaginable has gone largely unnoticed or commented on.

I just don’t get it

 

[The Clamp]

Maybe not delete completely? - that would be a bit drastic but it wouldn’t really bother me if it was closed for further comments tbh

- the idle discussion and morbid curiosity into what happened to this poor lady has just about run its course IMO

I think other posters have made good points about the media focus on the Nicola Bulley story compared to other equally horrible things in the news -and talked about prejudice and media selection bias -

However, the NSC response to recent events seems to reflect the same bias IMO For example - 12 pages on one vulnerable woman going missing yet a thread about the absolute devastating impact an Earthquake has had on Syrian refugees and Turkish citizens (including proving links links to how we can help) has received little interest nor attracted the compassionate comments that we’ve seen posted on this thread. Endless discussions about this one mortgage advisor who went missing yet a thread that has highlighted the tragedy of up to 75,000 Syrians and Turkish people dead or dying in the horriblest of circumstances imaginable has gone largely unnoticed or commented on.

I just don’t get it

People talk about what they want to talk about. You're over thinking it.

I find the words of yours I have highlighted in bold just about one of the most disrespectful, inappropriate things I have ever read in my 16 years on NSC.

 

[Insel affe]

Given family have asked for appalling speculation around her case to end, perhaps decent thing to do would be for Mods to delete this thread?

There’s no malicious or ridiculous theories in this thread, just normal conversations that go on in the pub, at school and work. In actual fact I would go far as to say, you would probably hear a lot worse not only on other social media platforms and in the pub & park, & that this thread is actually quite respectful and a credit to everyone, don’t see the need to be super sensitive, just because.

 

[Blue3]

Each year in the UK almost 400,000 people go missing with that in mind why has the press decided that this particular case should have so much attention.
Personally I think police should be left alone to just get on with the investigation

 

[The Wizard]

Absolutely bizarre some people saying about closing the thread

Everyone is talking about this in real life suggesting theories and discussing what could have happened, it’s just normal human nature, I can’t see any wild or offensive theories on this thread, it’s just similar to what any workplace/group of friends are talking about atm

 

[Brovion]

Maybe not delete completely? - that would be a bit drastic but it wouldn’t really bother me if it was closed for further comments tbh

- the idle discussion and morbid curiosity into what happened to this poor lady has just about run its course IMO

I think other posters have made good points about the media focus on the Nicola Bulley story compared to other equally horrible things in the news -and talked about prejudice and media selection bias -

However, the NSC response to recent events seems to reflect the same bias IMO For example - 12 pages on one vulnerable woman going missing yet a thread about the absolute devastating impact an Earthquake has had on Syrian refugees and Turkish citizens (including proving links links to how we can help) has received little interest nor attracted the compassionate comments that we’ve seen posted on this thread. Endless discussions about this one mortgage advisor who went missing yet a thread that has highlighted the tragedy of up to 75,000 Syrians and Turkish people dead or dying in the horriblest of circumstances imaginable has gone largely unnoticed or commented on.

I just don’t get it

It's human nature and it's neither good or bad. I've said it before (not sure where, probably earlier on this thread) but it it's the apparent 'locked room' mystery of this that keeps the speculation going. Did she fall in the river? Was she pushed? Did she jump? Was she abducted? Has she run away? With this many unknowns there is bound to be more posts, especially as some people don't like to see their particular pet theory shot down so will defend it and try and shoot down others in turn - especially those that they find objectionable.

Sadly the other stories are more cut-and-dried: Big earthquake. Man kills family. More shootings in America. No mystery in any of those, and nothing really to say apart from general laments about the human condition. For example I don't consider myself to be a ghoulish person or a rubbernecker, but I've made more posts on this subject (2) than I have on all the others combined.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Maybe not delete completely? - that would be a bit drastic but it wouldn’t really bother me if it was closed for further comments tbh

- the idle discussion and morbid curiosity into what happened to this poor lady has just about run its course IMO

I think other posters have made good points about the media focus on the Nicola Bulley story compared to other equally horrible things in the news -and talked about prejudice and media selection bias -

However, the NSC response to recent events seems to reflect the same bias IMO For example - 12 pages on one vulnerable woman going missing yet a thread about the absolute devastating impact an Earthquake has had on Syrian refugees and Turkish citizens (including proving links links to how we can help) has received little interest nor attracted the compassionate comments that we’ve seen posted on this thread. Endless discussions about this one mortgage advisor who went missing yet a thread that has highlighted the tragedy of up to 75,000 Syrians and Turkish people dead or dying in the horriblest of circumstances imaginable has gone largely unnoticed or commented on.

I just don’t get it

What is driving the difference in interest between the earthquake and the mortgage advisor is discussion, nothing more sinister. As sad as the earthquake is, there’s less to talk about.

 

[Justice]

Maybe not delete completely? - that would be a bit drastic but it wouldn’t really bother me if it was closed for further comments tbh

- the idle discussion and morbid curiosity into what happened to this poor lady has just about run its course IMO

I think other posters have made good points about the media focus on the Nicola Bulley story compared to other equally horrible things in the news -and talked about prejudice and media selection bias -

However, the NSC response to recent events seems to reflect the same bias IMO For example - 12 pages on one vulnerable woman going missing yet a thread about the absolute devastating impact an Earthquake has had on Syrian refugees and Turkish citizens (including proving links links to how we can help) has received little interest nor attracted the compassionate comments that we’ve seen posted on this thread. Endless discussions about this one mortgage advisor who went missing yet a thread that has highlighted the tragedy of up to 75,000 Syrians and Turkish people dead or dying in the horriblest of circumstances imaginable has gone largely unnoticed or commented on.

I just don’t get it

Yet here you are commenting on the same thread

 

[Justice]

As is the 16 year old murdered in the park in Warrington.

It’s a shit old world at the moment.

I heard an interesting theory yesterday from an old school headmaster about the rise in teen knife crime. He was saying back in the day 70’s 80’s grudges at school were all sorted by a fist fight in the playground the teachers were instructed to give it a few minutes for the steam to be let off and then broke it up. Grudges were rarely held oand it was all done and dusted and over in a few minutes.
Now days kids have no idea how to fist fight and stick a knife in not realising it is a life changing act for both parties.

 

[The Wizard]

Humans are by nature inquisitive and love to solve, hence why stories like this attract a lot of interest, it’s not harmful speculation, just inquisitiveness.

Why do you think so many people are obsessed with UFO’s, because we don’t know and that’s the most thought provoking thing of all.

And also, this kind of story is close to home for any of us, I think it’s always been a fear of mine a female family member just disappearing and whilst walking her dog, without a single trace, it’s very unnerving to think this could happen, if it is sinister.

 

[Lenny Rider]

I heard an interesting theory yesterday from an old school headmaster about the rise in teen knife crime. He was saying back in the day 70’s 80’s grudges at school were all sorted by a fist fight in the playground the teachers were instructed to give it a few minutes for the steam to be let off and then broke it up. Grudges were rarely held oand it was all done and dusted and over in a few minutes.
Now days kids have no idea how to fist fight and stick a knife in not realising it is a life changing act for both parties.

Another related theory re knife crime, you reap what you sow, Thatcher and co, drastically cut funding in inner city youth projects from May 1979 onwards, youth clubs, youth centres, cultural centres etc, and 40 years on many of those inner cities are ravaged with knife crime and a gang culture, and invariably what happens in the cities ends up in the towns. We've had a stabbing in Macdonalds in Worthing this week with armed Police then holding up innocent teenagers who were initially though to be potential suspects.
Thankfully they caught the suspect and he's already appeared in court.

Cheers Maggie!

Back to the OP, lets hope for the sake of Ms Bulley's family, specifically her kids, that everyone eventually gets some kind of closure.

But imagine the media scramble if she were to suddenly reappear alive having been holed up somewhere?

Given her apparent mental state they surely wouldn't do her for wasting Police time?

The commissioning editor at Netflix would literally be salivating.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I heard an interesting theory yesterday from an old school headmaster about the rise in teen knife crime. He was saying back in the day 70’s 80’s grudges at school were all sorted by a fist fight in the playground the teachers were instructed to give it a few minutes for the steam to be let off and then broke it up. Grudges were rarely held oand it was all done and dusted and over in a few minutes.
Now days kids have no idea how to fist fight and stick a knife in not realising it is a life changing act for both parties.

All sorted by more stringent penalties for knife carrying. I and many others don't feel the need to do so....so why are so many youngsters doing it?.....because its status orientated amongst their peer group. They are under no more threat than elderly people or any other group. Re-classify them as dangerous weapons, alongside guns and introduce custodial sentences for possession.