[News] Missing Lancashire woman

[Bold Seagull]

Can I ask what happened to the dog? Not seen it mentioned anywhere. Is it still alive? If not, then are they looking for both her and the dog?

Think the reason they knew she was missing is the dog was found on the road, dry and fine. The harness and lead were left on the bench with her phone still connected to her work teams meeting call.

 

[Eric the meek]

'Nicola Bulley: Search for missing mum moves towards sea'

Nicola Bulley: Search for missing mum moves towards sea

Police search teams move "further downstream" and then out towards the sea at Morecambe Bay.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Think the reason they knew she was missing is the dog was found on the road, dry and fine. The harness and lead were left on the bench with her phone still connected to her work teams meeting call.

Given the lack of signs of someone falling in (scrabbling marks) or body, if that isn't an abduction....and I can imagine how easily it could have been done. If I'm right, the police have f***ed this one up. Maybe I read too many Jo Nesbo books...

 

[Solid at the back]

She's not in the river, apparently it is a very slow part of the river and very shallow. Police have wasted so much time on this one. If she was in the river, why wouldn't they take the dog back, surely the dog would naturally wander over to where the lady fell in.

I reckon someone's had her. Saw an opportunity and acted on impulse and kidnapped her.

 

[Arkwright]

Given the lack of signs of someone falling in (scrabbling marks) or body, if that isn't an abduction....and I can imagine how easily it could have been done. If I'm right, the police have f***ed this one up. Maybe I read too many Jo Nesbo books...

No evidence to prove an abduction either. How can you blame the police when they literally have nothing to go on. It's not as if they haven't thrown enough resources into resolving this unfortunate situation.

 

[Bold Seagull]

She's not in the river, apparently it is a very slow part of the river and very shallow. Police have wasted so much time on this one. If she was in the river, why wouldn't they take the dog back, surely the dog would naturally wander over to where the lady fell in.

I reckon someone's had her. Saw an opportunity and acted on impulse and kidnapped her.

Someone went in pretty much the same spot of river and wasn’t found for 2 months, eventually turning up 7 miles away. Professional divers don’t tend to dive very shallow water.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Given the lack of signs of someone falling in (scrabbling marks) or body, if that isn't an abduction....and I can imagine how easily it could have been done. If I'm right, the police have f***ed this one up. Maybe I read too many Jo Nesbo books...

Or she went in of her own accord which is probably what their scenario is without spelling it out.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No evidence to prove an abduction either. How can you blame the police when they literally have nothing to go on. It's not as if they haven't thrown enough resources into resolving this unfortunate situation.

The announcement that she fell in the river. How long did that take to become the answer?

I am not saying this one is an easy one to crack. If it is an abduction it would literally have been done in seconds. High risk. No witnesses, no forensic. Literally swept into a sack. That sort of thing.

But how would a seemingly fit woman suddenly slip into a slow moving river and get swept away? Apparently while still logged onto a conference call/Teams meeting? Leaving no evidence of this catastrophic slipping.

It seems like we have had a lot of middle grade plod, doing routine stuff and scratching their heads to me. All according to carefully prepared procedure, of course.

Other equally uninformed opinions are of course available.

 

[Bozza]

Or she went in of her own accord which is probably what their scenario is without spelling it out.

I've not followed this closely at all, but a phone set down on a bench in the middle of a work call doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would happen if someone accidentally fell into a river. So, yes, that does sound more likely.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Or she went in of her own accord which is probably what their scenario is without spelling it out.

Sudden shock during a work Teams meeting? Suicides are normally well planned. Did she have no concern for her dog? No message left? No...

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I've not followed this closely at all, but a phone set down on a bench in the middle of a work call doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would happen if someone accidentally fell into a river. So, yes, that does sound more likely.

Lured away to 'an emergency' perhaps. Yes, that fits.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Someone went in pretty much the same spot of river and wasn’t found for 2 months, eventually turning up 7 miles away. Professional divers don’t tend to dive very shallow water.

Is that a fact? Do you have a link? No doubting you, just curious.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Sudden shock during a work Teams meeting? Suicides are normally well planned. Did she have no concern for her dog? No message left? No...

Are they? Many suicides the family and friends had no idea the person was in that bad a state, no notes or messages are left. A parent leaves home seemingly normally and doesn’t return. There is a permanent chaplaincy at Beachy Head because often it is a spur of the moment thing, that someone can be sat in the car park and talked into returning home.

Link the other body that went into the river 45 years previously.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Are they? Many suicides the family and friends had no idea the person was in that bad a state, no notes or messages are left. A parent leaves home seemingly normally and doesn’t return. There is a permanent chaplaincy at Beachy Head because often it is a spur of the moment thing, that someone can be sat in the car park and talked into returning home.

Link the other body that went into the river 45 years previously.

Fast flowing brook. 45 years ago....Hmmmm. Not exactly commonplace there then. And the river there was not fast flowing when the recent case took place.

I doubt very much that the Beachy Head leapers are spontaneous Sunday afternoon walkers, either. They plan. The leapers go there to leap; even if they end up not leaping. It is a schlep to get there too. You don't just finish a work meeting, leave your dog, and dive.

This was a woman walking locally with her dog and doing a bit of work chat.

No. She's been abducted.

 

[Zeberdi]

• Protester removal”

I can see why he might have a few enemies.

Removing Extinction Rebellion protestors from the water after they’ve been thrown into the nearest river by car drivers, No ?

No. She's been abducted.

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

 

[Eric the meek]

Fast flowing brook. 45 years ago....Hmmmm. Not exactly commonplace there then. And the river there was not fast flowing when the recent case took place.

I doubt very much that the Beachy Head leapers are spontaneous Sunday afternoon walkers, either. They plan. The leapers go there to leap; even if they end up not leaping. It is a schlep to get there too. You don't just finish a work meeting, leave your dog, and dive.

This was a woman walking locally with her dog and doing a bit of work chat.

No. She's been abducted.

Perhaps. But it's important to keep an open mind.

Whatever the cause of it, be it an accident, a suicide, an abduction, a double life or something else, I hope the family will very soon get some closure, peace and resolution of this terribly sad incident.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Fast flowing brook. 45 years ago....Hmmmm. Not exactly commonplace there then. And the river there was not fast flowing when the recent case took place.

I doubt very much that the Beachy Head leapers are spontaneous Sunday afternoon walkers, either. They plan. The leapers go there to leap; even if they end up not leaping. It is a schlep to get there too. You don't just finish a work meeting, leave your dog, and dive.

This was a woman walking locally with her dog and doing a bit of work chat.

No. She's been abducted.

In the middle of a work call that no one heard or saw her react or she was unable to raise any kind of alarm with them, no barking or reaction from the dog, no signs of a struggle at all in the vacinity or sign a body has been in anyway dragged or forced, and despite being fairly busy no sightings, no cctv, no other walkers in the area saw anyone suspicious. It’s every bit if not more unlikely than the river.

And rather than planning, I think it’s more reaching a decision. you don’t need to plan it, you just tragically need to decide, hence it’s often a bit of rope and chair in the garage, hose pipe from the exhaust etc. none of these need planning, they’re just there when the decision is made, and sadly devastating consequences left behind.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In the middle of a work call that no one heard or saw her react or she was unable to raise any kind of alarm with them, no barking or reaction from the dog, no signs of a struggle at all in the vacinity or sign a body has been in anyway dragged or forced, and despite being fairly busy no sightings, no cctv, no other walkers in the area saw anyone suspicious. Unless you’re thinking aliens?

No, I'm thinking someone (maybe to blokes) bundled her into a big sack and wandered off with her. Perhaps some chloroform was involved.

If she had been called away from the bench to a (fake) emergency she would have said something like 'gotta go' on the call.

If she had fallen by accident, into this water that was apparently moving too slowly to whisk off a body, why leave a conference call to admire swans on a precarious bank?

If it was suicide, why piss about with a work call, and take the dog?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In the middle of a work call that no one heard or saw her react or she was unable to raise any kind of alarm with them, no barking or reaction from the dog, no signs of a struggle at all in the vacinity or sign a body has been in anyway dragged or forced, and despite being fairly busy no sightings, no cctv, no other walkers in the area saw anyone suspicious. It’s every bit if not more unlikely than the river.

And rather than planning, I think it’s more reaching a decision. you don’t need to plan it, you just tragically need to decide, hence it’s often a bit of rope and chair in the garage, hose pipe from the exhaust etc. none of these need planning, they’re just there when the decision is made, and sadly devastating consequences left behind.

But.....there is no evidence her 'mind was disturbed'. Almost all suicides leave a note. And they don't abandon their dog.

Well you may be right and the body has made an extraordinary voyage out to see to never be seen again.

My bets would have been #1 the partner (I assume he's been ruled out) and failing that #2 a mad bustard abductor.

 

[Bold Seagull]

But.....there is no evidence her 'mind was disturbed'. Almost all suicides leave a note. And they don't abandon their dog.

Well you may be right and the body has made an extraordinary voyage out to see to never be seen again.

My bets would have been #1 the partner (I assume he's been ruled out) and failing that #2 a mad bustard abductor.

They do in fiction, in reality it’s more like 25-30% leave a note or any indication they were feeling suicidal. You can do a quick search and that is consistent through different countries too.

I lost a close friend, had ayoung family, dropped them off one day, never returned, found having taken his own life, no note, no explanation. I went through all his work stuff, e-mails sent the day before about meetings and things to do which were chatty, no complaints, no trouble, no jobs failing, no money worries.

Having obsessed a bit about it, read more about the subject it’s frightening how often it’s unforeseen, a shock, no note or explanation.

The highest risk age group for women suicides is 45-54, men it’s more like 40-45 age group is the highest risk.

2 men with chloroform carrying a body out of a busy walking area at 09.30 in the morning in a sack isn’t really in any sense a probable scenario.