[News] Missing Lancashire woman

[dsr-burnley]

No, I'm thinking someone (maybe to blokes) bundled her into a big sack and wandered off with her. Perhaps some chloroform was involved.

If she had been called away from the bench to a (fake) emergency she would have said something like 'gotta go' on the call.

If she had fallen by accident, into this water that was apparently moving too slowly to whisk off a body, why leave a conference call to admire swans on a precarious bank?

If it was suicide, why piss about with a work call, and take the dog?

Why leave a conference call? I'm sure conference calls can be so irrelevant and boring that you wander off to look at the ducks, as long as there's no-one about and you can trust the dog to see the phone doesn't get nicked. Talking the dog for a walk while the call was going on doesn't suggest that she saw that call as vital.

Hasn't it been said that there is enough CCTV that a bloke carrying a big sack would have been spotted?

 

[portlock seagull]

This seemingly tragic incident is now so baffling, the Alien Abduction scenario is beginning to sound plausible. Family must be crazy with worry and no new leads.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Why leave a conference call? I'm sure conference calls can be so irrelevant and boring that you wander off to look at the ducks, as long as there's no-one about and you can trust the dog to see the phone doesn't get nicked. Talking the dog for a walk while the call was going on doesn't suggest that she saw that call as vital.

Hasn't it been said that there is enough CCTV that a bloke carrying a big sack would have been spotted?

No idea. How good is the CCTV there?

I still find that a careless tumble into still waters, never to be found, is a stretch of the imagination.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They do in fiction, in reality it’s more like 25-30% leave a note or any indication they were feeling suicidal. You can do a quick search and that is consistent through different countries too.

I lost a close friend, had ayoung family, dropped them off one day, never returned, found having taken his own life, no note, no explanation. I went through all his work stuff, e-mails sent the day before about meetings and things to do which were chatty, no complaints, no trouble, no jobs failing, no money worries.

Having obsessed a bit about it, read more about the subject it’s frightening how often it’s unforeseen, a shock, no note or explanation.

The highest risk age group for women suicides is 45-54, men it’s more like 40-45 age group is the highest risk.

2 men with chloroform carrying a body out of a busy walking area at 09.30 in the morning in a sack isn’t really in any sense a probable scenario.

Thanks. I won't ask you for a reference. If that's the way of it, then so be it.

I am still struggling that the police have gone from 'experts say the body could not have drifted far from the scene' to 'we are currently scouring the Irish Sea.

My original post criticizing the OB, tonight, was triggered primarily by this. What next? police arrest partner in midnight raid to rough him up a bit? If they literally don't have a clue....and are sonar-ing the Irish sea (and presumably radar-ing the sky), isn't that a bit shit? I think it is, and I'm not happy about that.

 

[Bozza]

Thanks. I won't ask you for a reference. If that's the way of it, then so be it.

I am still struggling that the police have gone from 'experts say the body could not have drifted far from the scene' to 'we are currently scouring the Irish Sea.

My original post criticizing the OB, tonight, was triggered primarily by this. What next? police arrest partner in midnight raid to rough him up a bit? If they literally don't have a clue....and are sonar-ing the Irish sea (and presumably radar-ing the sky), isn't that a bit shit? I think it is, and I'm not happy about that.

I'm surprised that anyone who can have only limited knowledge of what has happened, what information the police have and what lines of investigation have and are being followed, can seemingly determine with certainty that the police have stuffed this all up.

Now, let's be clear: they may well have stuffed up, but none of us can know that from our distant and poorly-informed position.

But since chipping into this thread earlier. I've sent a bit of time reading what's going on, and one thing there's a lot of is profusion of crackpot conspiracy theorists. I see the chap who runs the specialist diving company who did some searching has had to come out and defend himself against people claiming he had dodgy motivations for getting involved.

Maybe people have consumed so much true crime tv shows and podcasts that they do truly believe they are well-placed to conclude what has happened.

 

[The Clamp]

There are only four possibilities.

1- she fell in the water
2- she deliberately went into the water
3- she was abducted

4- she has deliberately disappeared.


I don’t know enough about waterways to know the likely outcomes of going into the water. Where you’d be found etc

Abduction is a possibility but with nobody seeing anything. At all? No cctv ? Seems unlikely.

Deliberate disappearance? I suppose if she was clever enough to leave an utterly baffling scene behind her with deliberate red-herrings, it’s possible. But again, no cctv etc? Very, very hard to pull off. Could she have swum down the river and out to sea for a boat pick-up? Seems highly implausible.

If I had to speculate, I think she has ended her own life. Hence no signs of struggle or disturbance.

She’s gone in the water and been carried out to sea, somehow. The river is surely the only way out of the area without leaving a trace or being picked up somewhere on cctv.

So that’s that all wrapped up then.

 

[kevo]

Edit.

 

[kevo]

A lot of misinformed comments on here. Police made it quite clear that she was on mute during the Teans call and just listening in. So no-one could have heard her. Also, the meeting had actually ended, although she was still logged in.

I think abduction very unlikely. She probably just went to investigate something by the river or chased after her dog and simply fell in.

I wouldn't be surprised if she's found somewhere downstream over the next few days.

She could have deliberately entered the water of course, but I haven't come across anything that suggests she was depressed and from the footage of her that morning she seems to have been acting completely normally.

I really do think it was just a terrible accident.

 

[Eric the meek]

A lot of misinformed comments on here. Police made it quite clear that she was on mute during the Teans call and just listening in. So no-one could have heard her. Also, the meeting had actually ended, although she was still logged in.

I think abduction very unlikely. She probably just went to investigate something by the river or chased after her dog and simply fell in.

I wouldn't be surprised if she's found somewhere downstream over the next few days.

She could have deliberately entered the water of course, but I haven't come across anything that suggests she was depressed and from the footage of her that morning she seems to have been acting completely normally.

I really do think it was just a terrible accident.

When I first learned she had disappeared next to a river, that was my immediate reaction.

Nothing that I have heard since the disappearance, suggests any other scenario, although I appreciate there will be information as a result of the police case (they have over 500 leads), that none of us are aware of.

The bench was on the outside of a bend, down a steepish slope. The river may appear slow flowing at the surface, but the nullweg, or line of maximum velocity will be beneath the surface lower down, flowing in a spiralling fashion, eroding the underside of that outside bank.

Note that the search has moved downstream and into the estuary and Morecambe Bay. Rivers transport stuff downstream. That's what they do.

 

[Brian Fantana]

From everything I've read and heard, I'd agree with those saying that she ended up in the water (either accidentally or by choice - perhaps we'll never know which). There was a police interview where they essentially said that all of the various escape/exit routes from where she was are well covered by CCTV.

Edit: it would appear that there is one exit not covered by CCTV, so we can't be as sure as I claimed.

 

[Bozza]

From everything I've read and heard, I'd agree with those saying that she ended up in the water (either accidentally or by choice - perhaps we'll never know which). There was a police interview where they essentially said that all of the various escape/exit routes from where she was are well covered by CCTV.

From my reading last night, I think I read that there are essentially three exit paths from where she was - two are covered by CCTV, and one isn't.

But, as I've said, it didn't take long to get into conspiracy-theory-land when reading about it, and I'm not entirely sure now whether this is fact or supposition from an amateur Sherlock Holmes.

 

[Brian Fantana]

From my reading last night, I think I read that there are essentially three exit paths from where she was - two are covered by CCTV, and one isn't.

But, as I've said, it didn't take long to get into conspiracy-theory-land when reading about it, and I'm not entirely sure now whether this is fact or supposition from an amateur Sherlock Holmes.

Reading the latest on this, you're absolutely correct. The police are now saying that there is one possible exit route not covered by CCTV. I retract my previous statement then!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Reading the latest on this, you're absolutely correct. The police are now saying that there is one possible exit route not covered by CCTV. I retract my previous statement then!

Does this therefore mean there’s a reasonable chance she could have departed the area without being observed? This isn’t consistent with what has previously been said…it was seemingly the river only. Or have I missed something?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Reading the latest on this, you're absolutely correct. The police are now saying that there is one possible exit route not covered by CCTV. I retract my previous statement then!

Surely if she left the area, the dog would've followed her?

 

[Eric the meek]

Surely if she left the area, the dog would've followed her?

Good point. A seemingly obvious thing, which many, including myself, have overlooked.

 

[drew]

Seems to me to be quite odd the amount of conspiracy type theories about this case yet just nothing seems to have been posted about the shooting at school in Epsom! For some reason an accountant is allowed to own a gun on school grounds which he uses to kill his 7 year old daughter and his wife.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Does this therefore mean there’s a reasonable chance she could have departed the area without being observed? This isn’t consistent with what has previously been said…it was seemingly the river only. Or have I missed something?

You've not missed anything, as far as I can see. For me at least, given that the search had seemingly (from what we've been told) concentrated solely on the river, and the previous suggestion that all exit routes were covered by CCTV, I had assumed that it was very, very likely that she'd ended up in there.

The news that there's a possible exit route NOT covered by CCTV obviously opens the whole thing up much wider. I'd imagine, obviously and quite rightly, there's a fair amount of info that the police are not disclosing to the media and public at this time.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Surely if she left the area, the dog would've followed her?

A very good point. You'd presume that the dog would have chased after her if she'd been abducted by someone and would have been found at least some distance away from the bench. It is odd though that the dog was found dry, i.e. hadn't seemingly gone into the water to try and follow the owner (if indeed that's where she went).

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Seems to me to be quite odd the amount of conspiracy type theories about this case yet just nothing seems to have been posted about the shooting at school in Epsom! For some reason an accountant is allowed to own a gun on school grounds which he uses to kill his 7 year old daughter and his wife.

People love a mystery, which is why one gets more attention than the other I presume.

 

[Giraffe]

Surely if she left the area, the dog would've followed her?

Depends on the dog. Some dogs run a long way away from their owners and it would be possible to start walking in the other direction and the dog not notice. Especially if they are very used to the same dog walk every day as this seems. My dog virtually walks herself on known routes.